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- on Thu 09 Feb 2012
- 02:02:30 PM UTC
RE: bargainsandfun.com
I understand that some of you disagree with PennyAuctions and the entire Penny Auction industry. I ask that those of you with this mentality avoid commenting because I am looking for an honest review of the site (not the industry).
Yes there are scam Penny Auction sites out there, yes this industry is filled with "bad" sites. But not all of the sites in this industry are bad sites. Some of them are very good and there are many communities within this Penny Auction world that love the community.
Bargainsandfun.com has been in business for well over 2 years - we have an excellent reputation within the industry. We fulfill items in a timely manner and address all customer concerns very quickly. I'm simply asking that you review the site on it's own merit and not on that of the industry as a whole.
Thank you
Jeremiah J. Hobson
Owner Bargainsandfun.com -
- on Sat 11 Feb 2012
- 06:23:23 AM UTC
RE: bargainsandfun.com
The IP displays the site as well as it's "declared" nameserver
also, hXXp://bargainsandfun.com and hXXp://www.bargainsandfun.com load the site
generally (especially with a valid SSL) the parent (bargainsandfun.com) is [301 / 302] redirected to the hXXp://www.bargainsandfun.com URL
as should the IP redirect to the preferred domain; the nameserver should load a 403 forbidden errorThere is no SSL Certificate (expired 66 days ago) = personally identifiable information / financial transactions / etc are transferred over a non-secure protocol: HTTP
re: http://www.sslshopper.com/ssl-checker.html?hostname=bargainsandfun.com------- WOT Services Ltd. - gives us safety through Web of Trust. WOT Community - gives us security through unity. ∞
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- on Sat 11 Feb 2012
- 07:58:43 PM UTC
RE: bargainsandfun.com
@OP =
"We are a Penny Auction (pay-to-bid) site"
My answer to your request to re valuate your site is negative
I leave my previous rating of not to be trusted
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- on Mon 13 Feb 2012
- 02:25:23 PM UTC
RE: bargainsandfun.com
@OP =
"We are a Penny Auction (pay-to-bid) site"
My answer to your request to re valuate your site is negative
I leave my previous rating of not to be trusted
My opinion -In reality your comments on ANY PA site should be removed based on the following
When writing your comments, please consider the following:• Be objective and truthful. Useful comments include not only whether you liked or disliked a site, service or product, but also why. Please comment according to your real experiences: you are responsible for your comments.
• Differentiate between the technical safety of the site and the content
• Support your assertions or statements
• Try to keep it short, but focused
• If you are the owner or an employee of the site mention this in your comment.
Since you have no "REAL" experience with my site or any other PA site it would make me want to question any review that you have written or any rating that you have given. You blindly reviewed a site that you have no "real" experience with. How can you defend a review that is fraudulent in it's own nature. Since the "what kind of comments does wot want" section (quoted above for you) clearly asks says "Please comment according to your REAL experiences" which you have none.
I'm asking that you remove your FAKE/FRAUDULENT" review.
The IP displays the site as well as it's "declared" nameserver
also, hXXp://bargainsandfun.com and hXXp://www.bargainsandfun.com load the site
generally (especially with a valid SSL) the parent (bargainsandfun.com) is [301 / 302] redirected to the hXXp://www.bargainsandfun.com URL
as should the IP redirect to the preferred domain; the nameserver should load a 403 forbidden errorThere is no SSL Certificate (expired 66 days ago) = personally identifiable information / financial transactions / etc are transferred over a non-secure protocol: HTTP
re: http://www.sslshopper.com/ssl-checker.html?hostname=bargainsandfun.com
I thank you for your FACTUAL information above as you have put more time into it than someone who is just giving a "fly by" response.
I can see your point with personally identifiable information and a lower security rating because the users information (when they register) is submitted in the clear. We did have an SSL certificate but since we do not do Credit Cards on the site itself we have not renewed the certificate.
However since ALL of our payment transactions are preformed on PAYPAL no financial information is EVER at risk on our site. We do not store any personal financial information that would put any of our users at risk.
But this does not clearly justify us having a low trustworthy rating or a low vendor reliability rating. As I have stated, we have been in business for over 2 years. You can check our reviews on PennyAuctionWatch.com, PennyBurners.com, PennyAuctionHelp.com, and any other review site in the Penny Auction industry and you will see that we have an almost stellar reputation (except a few reviews when we first opened about site issues, but never about product being delivered).
As stated above - you clearly have no "real" experience with us with which to base such a poor reputation. Kindly remove the fake/fraudulent remarks and ratings. Failure to do so simply puts this entire site "mywot.com" in question as it shows that reviews here can not be trusted as they are not based on actual experience but the desire by some members of this site to gain "points" for placing reviews.
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- on Mon 13 Feb 2012
- 03:47:44 PM UTC
RE: bargainsandfun.com
Except superhero's comment is NOT, fraudulent. We just don't trust any Pa site, like i don't trust Quibids. I was considering light red, but after that argument i am going to pure red. rated and commented because we don't trust PA sites here and never really will, and that you demanded Superhero removed his "fraudulent review". And WOT is to be trusted, we are basing this off of facts we know about PA sites.
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- on Mon 13 Feb 2012
- 04:02:04 PM UTC
RE: bargainsandfun.com
Except superhero's comment is NOT, fraudulent. We just don't trust any Pa site, like i don't trust Quibids. I was considering light red, but after that argument i am going to pure red. rated and commented because we don't trust PA sites here and never really will, and that you demanded Superhero removed his "fraudulent review". And WOT is to be trusted, we are basing this off of facts we know about PA sites.I requested I did not demand - I think I'm done with this site since it is very clear that this can not be considered a trustworthy resource.
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- on Mon 13 Feb 2012
- 04:12:01 PM UTC
RE: bargainsandfun.com
Ok, requested, demanded, whatever! WOT is trustworthy and you know it! Your just angry that your site was rated red. I'm done debating with you.
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- on Mon 13 Feb 2012
- 05:26:56 PM UTC
RE: bargainsandfun.com
Even though your site was clean on VirusTotal it is a known threat. Penny Auction sites are scams and should be avoided.
With the WOT add-on in our browsers, we will forever fight to protect the web!
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- on Mon 13 Feb 2012
- 05:44:02 PM UTC
RE: bargainsandfun.com
The IP displays the site as well as it's "declared" nameserver
also, hXXp://bargainsandfun.com and hXXp://www.bargainsandfun.com load the site
generally (especially with a valid SSL) the parent (bargainsandfun.com) is [301 / 302] redirected to the hXXp://www.bargainsandfun.com URL
as should the IP redirect to the preferred domain; the nameserver should load a 403 forbidden errorThere is no SSL Certificate (expired 66 days ago) = personally identifiable information / financial transactions / etc are transferred over a non-secure protocol: HTTP
re: http://www.sslshopper.com/ssl-checker.html?hostname=bargainsandfun.com
This data is known as accurate and only proves that the site is not safe!
With the WOT add-on in our browsers, we will forever fight to protect the web!
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- on Mon 13 Feb 2012
- 07:34:41 PM UTC
RE: bargainsandfun.com
Well said, echosoft.
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- on Mon 13 Feb 2012
- 08:56:42 PM UTC
RE: bargainsandfun.com
So this is what promted your email to me ....
Regards Steven Burn I.T. Mate / hpHosts it-mate.co.uk / hosts-file.net
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- on Mon 13 Feb 2012
- 09:50:29 PM UTC
RE: bargainsandfun.com
This data is known as accurate and only proves that the site is not safe!I tried hard but did not come to any other verdict than my co-WOTers
------------------------------------------------------ No frills, just down to the site.
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- on Wed 15 Feb 2012
- 11:11:05 AM UTC
RE: bargainsandfun.com
Here's an email Mr. Hobson has been sending out to our partners:
I am writing you in regards to your being a "friend" of a site called "mywot.com ".I strongly advise you to re-evaluate this relationship. The site in question portrays itself as a "ratings" system for websites. However after a review of the aforementioned site I have found that many of the reviews contained within the site are fraudulent. These reviews were posted using the sites "mass submit" tool and lists of sites that are posted on the forums within the site. There are entire industries being condemned within this sites rating system, not for any foul play on their part but because one or two members of the site (mywot.com ) do not like the industry in which these other sites operate. Upon request of these "spam/fraudulent/fake" reviews and comments being removed you are told to send your traffic to the site to write other reviews. When clearly pointed out that these
comments that are posted are fraudulent they have no response. I humbly request that you cease all affiliation with them as I will not do any business with any company that affiliates themselves with such a scam.You can view a sample of this using my own domain name bargainsandfun.com as well as any domain name that affiliates itself with penny auctions. For example sites like nailbidder.com, bidpigs.com bubblebid.com. All of these sites have the exact same comments posted by users of mywot.com that have never even used any of the sites listed.
I feel that your company should distance itself as far as possible from this scam review site as not doing so may be causing you to loose business yourselves.
Sincerely
Jeremiah J. Hobson
Owner Bargainsandfun.comJeremiah, I find it difficult to understand what you trying to accomplish with this. If people don't trust penny auctions, sites involved in such activities will end up with a poor reputation. We just tell you how much people trust these sites.
You should also note that comments do not affect reputations and people who rate a lot of websites are not trusted more. In fact, all your FUD is conveniently addressed in our FAQ.
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- on Wed 15 Feb 2012
- 11:58:47 AM UTC
RE: bargainsandfun.com
The issue with Pay-To-Bid auctions is that many people pay money to the auction site for the dubious privilege of bidding for an item but only one person "wins". This means that all of the others who paid to bid have actually given money to the auction site for nothing, and there is no way of knowing if the item ever existed or if any real person not associated with the auction site ever actually received the goods for which they had bid. This is bound to be considered as an untrustworthy business model.
Any auction site owners choosing to use such a business model must know that they are actually trying to get a lot people to pay out money for which they will receive nothing in return. Although the business model might be just the right side of the law, it is nevertheless bound to be considered untrustworthy by those exercising commonsense.
~Music is not just for the Masses~
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- on Wed 15 Feb 2012
- 02:23:20 PM UTC
RE: bargainsandfun.com
I stand behind that e-mail 100% - and here's why.
This is supposed to be a site rating tool for sites that you have actually used. Read the FAQ of the site and it says to use your "REAL EXPERIENCES" with the sites to rate them. Of the comments and ratings that my site (and any PA site listed has received) you will see that they are based off of a post made on this site about PA sites and how they are all "scams". Now - lets look at that realistically, yes there are scams in the Penny Auction world, but not all Penny Auctions are scams. But for someone to base a review of Every pa site on the scams would be as much of a disservice as saying that mywot is a scam simply because it is a review site and there are many review sites out there that are scams as well. here's a prime example http://www.ripoffreport.com/
Now - I'm not saying that people should not rate sites, but they should be rated on an individual basis based on the merits of that site. NOT by someone saying an entire industry is a scam and all of their friends jumping on that bandwagon and posting a link to a blog/forum post.
If you don't like a site because of the industry they are involved in, then don't use it. But at the same time - DON'T RATE IT because you have no real experience with that site and your rating is based on absolutely no real experience. Rating a site that you have no experience with would be like going to car and driver and rating every new car that came out even though you have never seen/touched/driven one. Notice how in most magazines when they review a product/service they give details like what model and specifications the product had. Do you also go to Amazon.com and just rate every product they have listed there in one category or another simply because you don't like that type of product?
I have spent 2+ years in this industry. I have spend much of my time trying to improve this industry and to help get rid of some of the riff-raff that has given it a bad reputation. I have fulfilled every win and have always responded to my customers e-mails. I have even outed sites within this industry that I found out were scams because it was the right thing to do. I've also come up with ideas that would make this industry safer for the users, and better for all involved.
I'm fighting an uphill battle with people that clearly want to stand behind a dislike of an industry rather than do what is appropriate and rate a site based on it's merit. If you have no "REAL EXPERIENCE" with a site then your review/rating of that site is fraudulent. Sorry but based on the fact that there are so many FAKE reviews/ratings in just one industry - it has to bring into question the entire mywot rating system.
Jeremiah, I find it difficult to understand what you trying to accomplish with this. If people don't trust penny auctions, sites involved in such activities will end up with a poor reputation. We just tell you how much people trust these sites.You should also note that comments do not affect reputations and people who rate a lot of websites are not trusted more. In fact, all your FUD is conveniently addressed in our FAQ.
If People don't trust penny auctions then that's fine. But they shouldn't be going around rating every site within an industry just because of the industry it is in. Your FAQ asks for "REAL EXPERIANCE" and as far as I can see many sites listed on mywot get the exact same treatment. No real ratings or reviews - just a bunch of copy/paste - mass submit - fraudulent garbage.
How does that make mywot any better than any of the fake/scam review sites out there!
The issue with Pay-To-Bid auctions is that many people pay money to the auction site for the dubious privilege of bidding for an item but only one person "wins". This means that all of the others who paid to bid have actually given money to the auction site for nothing, and there is no way of knowing if the item ever existed or if any real person not associated with the auction site ever actually received the goods for which they had bid. This is bound to be considered as an untrustworthy business model.Any auction site owners choosing to use such a business model must know that they are actually trying to get a lot people to pay out money for which they will receive nothing in return. Although the business model might be just the right side of the law, it is nevertheless bound to be considered untrustworthy by those exercising commonsense.
Yes the business model could be considered untrustworthy - however - not all of them are untrustworthy. Why would anyone rate something that they have no real interaction with. That is my point here - If the rating my site has was based on REAL users and REAL experiences then I would have no problem with it. But it's not, it's based on the perception of a few people who read an article and decided to condemn an entire industry.
As for knowing if products are real and if people are really receiving them - you can check out many of the sites in question on sites like PennyAuctionwatch.com PennyBurners.com and even a site called allpennyauctions.com - they have droves of information about penny auctions. You can see which ones are shipping, which ones haven't shipped, which ones are running bots and other things like that. All you need is to do some research and you'll see. And of course to say that because there is advertising going on on those sites they must be fake, but that would be akin to saying that because mywot charges for a seal on your site - mywot must be fake as wall.
All I'm asking for is the fake/mass/fraudulent reviews/ratings to be removed and to be judged on my site alone. If you don't like my site because of the industry that i'm in then don't join it. But don't review it either if your not going to give it a try. Review it based on YOUR REAL EXPERIENCE.
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- on Wed 15 Feb 2012
- 02:50:22 PM UTC
RE: bargainsandfun.com
Do you ever think about the fact that WE DON'T TRUST PA SITES?! Stop emailing our partners just because you wanna whine about it. Never gonna work if we explain the truth.
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- on Wed 15 Feb 2012
- 03:12:56 PM UTC
RE: bargainsandfun.com
"...the business model could be considered untrustworthy - however - not all of them are untrustworthy."In my book they are all, at the very least, unethical, and nothing more than legalised scams.
"Why would anyone rate something that they have no real interaction with."AFAIK I haven't rated your site at all. You are not improving your image by making such assumptions.
"...it's based on the perception of a few people who read an article and decided to condemn an entire industry."My perception is based on my own assessment and understanding that sites such as your take money from people without giving them anything in return.
"As for knowing if products are real and if people are really receiving them - you can check out many of the sites in question..."Since there is no way of knowing if those reviews are honest then there is no point in reading them. Even if the goods are real, and are really received by real people not associated with the auction sites, that still leaves the issue of all of those other people who paid out money for nothing. If I want to give away money then I give it to proper charitable causes and not to line the pockets of a legalised scammer.
"...to say that because there is advertising going on on those sites..."I never mentioned advertising.
"...that would be akin to saying that because mywot charges for a seal on your site - mywot must be fake as wall."Firstly, I don't regard trust seals as a measure of trust, although any site displaying a fake trust seal would be considered untrustworthy. MyWot openly charges for a trust seal and if people want to display the seal on their site(s) then they know how much it will cost and MyWot does actually deliver the seal and associated services to those who paid, which is not the same as taking money from people and giving them nothing in return.
"All I'm asking for is the fake/mass/fraudulent reviews/ratings to be removed..."If you can prove that the ratings and reviews are actually fake or fraudulent then WOT Admin will remove them but until then you will just have to live with the fact that the majority view your site and business model as untrustworthy
~Music is not just for the Masses~
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- on Wed 15 Feb 2012
- 03:15:19 PM UTC
RE: bargainsandfun.com
The issue with Pay-To-Bid auctions is that many people pay money to the auction site for the dubious privilege of bidding for an item but only one person "wins". This means that all of the others who paid to bid have actually given money to the auction site for nothing, and there is no way of knowing if the item ever existed or if any real person not associated with the auction site ever actually received the goods for which they had bid.
How do you ever know that any site actually ships any item out? Not penny auction sites, but Amazon or eBay? We know that Amazon & eBay ship items out, because millions of people have used them, and rated them. The penny auction industry is much smaller, but still has more than 5 million people who have played, just in America. The majority of the rates here on MyWOT are made by members who have not played at any penny auction site.There are many fraudulent retail eCommerce stores online, but there isn't a MRT list of every eCommerce store just because a very low percentage are fraudulent.
This is bound to be considered as an untrustworthy business model.
Bound? http://www.thefreedictionary.com/bound
That is what is happening on MyWOT with penny auctions, people are springing forward with knee jerk reactions, instead of actually learning what the site or business is about. The people who play at these sites, which number in the millions in the US alone, obviously do not consider the whole industry untrustworthy.
Any auction site owners choosing to use such a business model must know that they are actually trying to get a lot people to pay out money for which they will receive nothing in return.
Isn't the same statement also true of:
http://www.daveandbusters.com
https://www.chuckecheese.comAll of which are businesses that are set up to take in more money, than they put out (The core principle of any business). Penny auctions are a lot like D&B or CC in that you exchange your money for entertainment. You may win, or you may not. If you are skilled, you are much more likely to win cheap. This is the same for any game at either of the trusted establishments listed above.
Although the business model might be just the right side of the law, it is nevertheless bound to be considered untrustworthy by those exercising commonsense.
Your statement about the site being "just the right side of the law" is wrong. Penny auctions have recently been subjected to massive amounts of scrutiny, and the result of said scrutiny is that now George, Florida, and North Carolina are requiring penny auction site owners to obtain a State Auctioneers License. I am not aware of any loop holes that allow someone with an Auctioneers License to circumvent any laws.-With gratitude, Nicholas Boccio Founder of PennyBurners
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- on Wed 15 Feb 2012
- 03:32:56 PM UTC
RE: bargainsandfun.com
In my book they are all, at the very least, unethical, and nothing more than legalised scams.
That is based on your very cursory glance at the industry.
Since there is no way of knowing if those reviews are honest then there is no point in reading them. Even if the goods are real, and are really received by real people not associated with the auction sites, that still leaves the issue of all of those other people who paid out money for nothing. If I want to give away money then I give it to proper charitable causes and not to line the pockets of a legalised scammer.
Define legalized scammer, please. What laws to you think penny auction sites are breaking? Why has no other Attorney General, or Secretary of State, or Consumer Protection Service of any state agreed with you? Are they all wrong? Are they just not seeing what you are seeing? Wouldn't you agree that they are better equipped to make such charges if there were any?
MyWot openly charges for a trust seal and if people want to display the seal on their site(s) then they know how much it will cost and MyWot does actually deliver the seal and associated services to those who paid...
Let me try to show you, in a round about way, how your definition of "right" applied to the MyWOT seal, can be applied to penny auctions..."BargainsandFun openly charges for a bid package and if people want to play at BargainsandFun then they know how much it will cost and BargainsandFun does actually deliver the services to those who paid..."
The bids are participation fees, and are the tools used to win the game. The game itself is a service rendered to the customer. When you win, you usually get to pay a discounted price for the item. If you lose, you get nothing, or some sites offer credits for bids used in auctions that they did not win.
...which is not the same as taking money from people and giving them nothing in return.
"Taking money from people"? That is called theft, and NONE of the sites in the penny auction industry "take" money from people. Each bid package is paid for, willingly, by the person wishing to play on that site. I have never heard of a penny auction site "taking money from people".-With gratitude, Nicholas Boccio Founder of PennyBurners
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- on Wed 15 Feb 2012
- 03:35:06 PM UTC
RE: bargainsandfun.com
"Bound?"http://thesaurus.com/browse/bound
Bound (adjective) = Destined.
~Music is not just for the Masses~
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- on Wed 15 Feb 2012
- 03:36:35 PM UTC
RE: bargainsandfun.com
@Jazspeak
Finally, your claims that these sites are "taking money from people" are made even weaker when you look at the many sites that offer "Buy It Now" options. This is where 100% of the value of the paid-for bids are applied to purchasing the item at MSRP.
Example:
$100 Amazon Gift card.
You spend 50 bids that cost you $30.00 ($0.60 per bid)
You can stop bidding, and purchase that item for the remaining $70.00, essentially removing all risk from losing money.You can find these style of auctions on many sites, including QuiBids, SkoreIt, StickyBids, and others.
-With gratitude, Nicholas Boccio Founder of PennyBurners
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- on Wed 15 Feb 2012
- 03:48:08 PM UTC
RE: bargainsandfun.com
I have also just email Jeremiah, to explain to him how MyWOT works and encourage him to work with this community and not be so frustrated if the community is slow to change its opinion. I know I will be here for months helping to improve the ratings of penny auctions sites, as I have been.
The merit system employed here makes this approach a necessity, as I cannot encourage the thousands of people that come through my site each day to download this MyWOT addon, since it does not accurately reflect the reputation of the majority of sites my readers would go to everyday. (Many of these sites have A ratings with the BBB, fully EVSSL encrypted, and licensed to run penny auctions in their states.)
This also saves the administrators and moderators of this forum the economy of time it would cost to deal with dozens or hundreds of people complaining about the wrongful & poor reputation of sites they have loved and played at for years.
-With gratitude, Nicholas Boccio Founder of PennyBurners
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- on Wed 15 Feb 2012
- 03:49:47 PM UTC
RE: bargainsandfun.com
"...exchange your money for entertainment. You may win, or you may not."That looks like a definition of gambling. Gambling is a mug's game, and I am not that much of a mug. The obvious fact that so many are that much of a mug does not change my view at all.
~Music is not just for the Masses~
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- on Wed 15 Feb 2012
- 03:54:05 PM UTC
RE: bargainsandfun.com
That looks like a definition of gambling. Gambling is a mug's game, and I am not that much of a mug. The obvious fact that so many are that much of a mug does not change my view at all.
No it doesn't. Gambling, as defined by most states, involves the betting, wagering, pooling, or staking money on an uncertain event. Penny auctions do not "bet", "stake", "wager", or "pool" money at all. As mentioned earlier, states HAVE looked at penny auctions, and none of them have deemed them gambling. In fact, the UK Office Of Fair Trading investigated a site (BattyBid, which we busted a year earlier) that wasn't shipping items, and never concluded that is was gambling.You can read a blog I did on this, based on several State's definitions of gambling, here:hxxp://www.pennyburners.com/getting-started/are-penny-auctions-gambling
-With gratitude, Nicholas Boccio Founder of PennyBurners
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- on Wed 15 Feb 2012
- 04:07:19 PM UTC
RE: bargainsandfun.com
Do you ever think about the fact that WE DON'T TRUST PA SITES?! Stop emailing our partners just because you wanna whine about it. Never gonna work if we explain the truth.The truth being that your rating sites based on a forum post that is a load of BS to begin with. The fact that users are FRAUDULENTLY rating sites that they have never had a single dealing with and can not possibly rate HONESTLY. Oh and when asked to remove said comments because they are FAKE/Fraudulent it's denied!
Look, you can review sites and I can e-mail partners - At least what I'm doing is not FAKE/FRAUDULENT/LIES
In my book they are all, at the very least, unethical, and nothing more than legalised scams.AFAIK I haven't rated your site at all. You are not improving your image by making such assumptions.
My perception is based on my own assessment and understanding that sites such as your take money from people without giving them anything in return.
Since there is no way of knowing if those reviews are honest then there is no point in reading them. Even if the goods are real, and are really received by real people not associated with the auction sites, that still leaves the issue of all of those other people who paid out money for nothing. If I want to give away money then I give it to proper charitable causes and not to line the pockets of a legalised scammer.
I never mentioned advertising.
Firstly, I don't regard trust seals as a measure of trust, although any site displaying a fake trust seal would be considered untrustworthy. MyWot openly charges for a trust seal and if people want to display the seal on their site(s) then they know how much it will cost and MyWot does actually deliver the seal and associated services to those who paid, which is not the same as taking money from people and giving them nothing in return.
If you can prove that the ratings and reviews are actually fake or fraudulent then WOT Admin will remove them but until then you will just have to live with the fact that the majority view your site and business model as untrustworthy
Yes, but if you didn't use the site then how can you give an HONEST rating/review of the site. You didn't use it so you can't - not HONESTLY anyway.
I did not imply that you had rated my site, it was more of a general comment as MANY of the ratings that are on ALL of the PA sites on this forum/blog/rating system are done by users who have no first hand knowledge of the sites they are rating. Other than that of course that was written in a forum post which others have used to justify their fake/fraudulent ratings.
I get the fact that you don't like the business model where the losers subsidize the winners. But just because you don't like the business model does not make it a scam, un-ethical or illegal. It is legal, and there is no-one pointing a gun to your head telling you to sign up and that you have to do it. It is a users choice, they know the risks going in and in most cases the winners are more profitable than the sites are. Not that there aren't people who lose money on them as that will obviously happen - But it's a risk that those who do participate are willing to take and does not make the entire industry a scam.
Sorry - the advertising thing was something i read in another thread
I have flagged the fraudulent posts, e-mailed the site admin and continually get the same response. That I need to send my traffic to this site to improve my rating. Now you can look at all of those comments and see they are all mass generated garbage done to every PA site. The comments are not accurate to the sites in question and should be removed completely unless the person has first hand "REAL EXPERIENCES" with the site they are rating. Again - would you go to amazon and rate every product just because you can?
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- on Wed 15 Feb 2012
- 09:03:44 PM UTC
RE: bargainsandfun.com
Why you little. I will keep my rating and never re-evaluate. You accuse us, your the fraudulent one. NEVER expect a good rating from me. You are making fraudulent claims about this service, that is when i draw the line.
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- on Wed 15 Feb 2012
- 09:44:13 PM UTC
RE: bargainsandfun.com
Why you little. I will keep my rating and never re-evaluate. You accuse us, your the fraudulent one. NEVER expect a good rating from me. You are making fraudulent claims about this service, that is when i draw the line.1st - I'm not making fraudulent claims - the claims are based on the fact that there are fraudulent reviews about my site. The reviews are supposed to be based on "REAL EXPERIENCE" which you have none and therefor should not leave a review. I have requested mywot to remove the FRAUDULENT reviews, however they declined. Since they have aided in the posting of these Fraudulent reviews with their mass rating tool and done nothing about it when it is pointed out to them It leads me to believe that the entire site must be questioned on it's validity. I'm sure this is not the only industry that has been steamrolled in this manner.
2nd - calling me a fraud because I pointed out the fact that there is a bias and clearly FRAUD taking place on this site will get you no-where.
3rd - Please explain which claim that I made is fraudulent as EVERYTHING I have said HERE and in E-Mails to the "friends" that I have been e-mailing is 100% factual.
To lay out what I have said to "friends" in e-mails.
1. There is a forum post on mywot that claims all PA sites are scams and gives a list
2. Users are using this list to post reviews/ratings of sites they have never been to
3. My requests to mywot administrators to have these FRAUDULENT reviews/ratings removed have been denied.
4. Requests for an actual "review" of the site gets no-where and yeilds a response of "it's a scam" when the user who is posting it has NO FACTUAL information on my site at all and has never used it.
5. Based on the above 4 points - You can draw a conclusion that there must be others with the same dilemma going on.Sorry - But the facts are the facts - You can sugar coat it to whomever you would like - it does not change the fact that an entire industry (and i'm sure others) have been steamrolled into the bin of untrustworthy sites based on pure happenstance of the industry they are in. I recommend that the "friend" discontinue affiliation as I'm sure that others who have been steamrolled in this fashion would likely not support someone who has supported a site where this fraudulent activity is being allowed. I know I wouldn't support a single "friend" site knowing that they are helping to contribute to this mass FRAUD.
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- on Wed 15 Feb 2012
- 11:53:38 PM UTC
RE: bargainsandfun.com
Say what you want, but what i say is true. What all of us that rated red know that it is true. the PA industry is untrustworthy. I'm done debating this with you. Don't bother replying. It won't get you anywhere.
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- on Thu 16 Feb 2012
- 12:10:37 AM UTC
RE: bargainsandfun.com
Why you little. I will keep my rating and never re-evaluate. You accuse us, your the fraudulent one. NEVER expect a good rating from me. You are making fraudulent claims about this service, that is when i draw the line.
This sounds like you are taking this too personally. You are publicly admitting that you will abuse the service to get revenge on those you disagree with in the forum. I am not sure which is worse.The reviews are supposed to be about the site, in 4 distinct categories.
If a site owner is mean, or rude that might affect their trustworthiness, but not the privacy, vendor reliability or the child safety.
Stating publicly that you are basing your red ratings on his comments here is an admission of abusing the MyWOT system.
However, since Jeremiah is not running a scam, and there are comments saying that his domain is a scam, then those comments are fraudulent, by definition.
Say what you want, but what i say is true. What all of us that rated red know that it is true. the PA industry is untrustworthy. I'm done debating this with you. Don't bother replying. It won't get you anywhere.
Link28, your claims that an entire industry is untrustworthy are unfounded. There are more than 6 million penny auction players in the US alone, and many more elsewhere in the world.-With gratitude, Nicholas Boccio Founder of PennyBurners
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- on Thu 16 Feb 2012
- 07:46:52 PM UTC
RE: bargainsandfun.com
Common Sense is lacking here. If all Penny Auction Sites are SCAMS, then you must also inform your subscribers that ALL BANKS ARE dishonest scams as well. ALL DOCTORS are incompetent too. The list goes on. You have a very narrow view and to state these assumptions as fact, is rather bizarre. Let me put it this way.... Unless and until you have any real experience with Penny Auction Sites, I think it's best to leave your unfounded opinions to yourself.
I belong to a number of Penny Auctions Sites. I did my homework, in advance, and have been very successful in winning items for a fraction of what I would actually have to pay for them otherwise. NOT ALL PA's are scams. This is much too broad of a statement. There are some PA's that are total scams and it would serve a better purpose if you didn't black ball the entire industry due to the bad apples out there. Bargains&Fun is one of the PA's I use and I receive items won very quickly. I have never had any problem with this Penny Auction Site. If I didn't know better, after reading this thread, I would walk away thinking B&F was crooked and stealing money from people. if anyone is stealing, it is I, for the cheap wins I have gotten on this site.
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