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- on Thu 13 Aug 2009
- 04:40:55 AM UTC
Yellow comment
I agree.
WOT uses Green - Orange - Red colors on the rating bar and icons
The Comment choices are Green Red Gray, gray being more "note worthy" than a good or bad evaluation.WOT's colors remind me of the simple traffic light.
Red = stop|! same with WOT, stop! bad site.
Green = Go! same with WOT go ahead, no problems... good site.
Yellow = Caution, be prepared to stop. WOT has no similar identifier, but it should.Maybe an orange versus yellow, since yellow would be difficult to view.
We only need 1 with the label "Caution" (easily translated) because the user's comment would expand upon why to be cautious.
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- G7W -
- on Thu 13 Aug 2009
- 05:55:37 PM UTC
I agree too
Indeed, comments could be more flexible. The rating system has a full spectrum, but comments are only binary: red or green. (Yes, there are also "other" and "useless", but they still don't signify "yellow"...)
Sometimes a site is not bad - but no good either.
Or half of it is good, but the other half not.
Here yellow would be more precise than gray,
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- on Thu 13 Aug 2009
- 07:05:14 PM UTC
agree w the yellow thing
agree w the yellow thing plus sometime the rating r not accurate, so the add-on should show u no. of positive & negative comment w/o checking the scorecard all the time to see if the comment r conflicting w the rating or not...
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- on Thu 13 Aug 2009
- 07:52:44 PM UTC
Re: agree w the yellow thing
sometime the rating r not accurate, so the add-on should show u no. of positive & negative comment
Actually, if comments conflict with the reputation, it's almost always the comments that are inaccurate or even misleading. You'll typically find biased rants from members of the vocal minority who violently disagree with the reputation, and it's nearly impossible to tell which ones can be trusted.
On the other hand, as soon as there's enough data to make statistically relevant estimates, the reputation rating is usually far more reliable. Of course, you should always check the confidence indicator to see how much the reputation can be trusted.
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- on Fri 14 Aug 2009
- 06:37:56 AM UTC
misinterpretations
misinterpretations
One thing that having a Yellow Comment Tag might help resolve is the misinterpretation of a comment being a rating. If the site reputation is high enough to be green but viewing the Scorecard you see a few Yellow cautionary comments... This might help suggest the role that comments have within the Scorecard.-------
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- G7W -
- on Mon 17 Aug 2009
- 05:14:25 PM UTC
Let comments inherit the color of the rating
Ratings came first. Later comments were added. A good addition, because we can then explain the reason behind the rating. Too bad that rating and comments still seem to be two different systems:
Rating offers only 4 categories. But infinitely many colours.
Comment offers many different categories, but only 2 colours: red and green.
If I rate a site yellow, then I cannot avoid a problem when I want to explain why.
I have to chose between red and green, even though I don't mean either.
Both would be incorrect. (And gray wouldn't fit either...)However, there's a simple solution: Let comments inherit the colour of the rating.
Then my yellow rating would be explained by a yellow comment.
Simple and consistent....I can't see any disadvantages with 'colour inheritance'. Can you..?
PS: This would also offer a new way of sorting comments: by colour...
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- on Mon 17 Aug 2009
- 08:31:00 PM UTC
re:disadvantages
OK..
How about this:example.com is green, no comments, but lots of ratings.
I have a bad experience with it, let's say it's Amazon.com and I ordered a widget, paid for it and received a similar one, but not what I viewed/ordered/paid for. So, I send it back as instructed, wait and wait and when the replacement finally arrives it's the same similar one they shipped previously, still not what I ordered. So now I send it back again and they inform me that the original widget I purchased is not available and instead of refunding my money, they credit my Amazon.com account.
Now I'm pissed off, and I rate the site RED, leave a Bad Customer Experience comment, but the color inherits the sites overall reputation; I'm 1 in a thousand (or higher) unsatisfied customer, my comment color is green... :-(
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- G7W -
- on Mon 17 Aug 2009
- 09:25:05 PM UTC
Misunderstanding
Thanks for the comment, but apparently I didn't make myself clear enough:
I suggest that your comment should inherit the colour of your own rating - not the rating of everybody else (in that case all comments would share the same colour). So, if you rate example.com red, your comment would also be red...
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- on Mon 17 Aug 2009
- 09:30:22 PM UTC
Interpretation
I think phantazm was suggesting that the comment YOU make will inherit the rating that YOU gave to the site, not the actual prevailing rating for the site.
Therefore, if you rate it, for example, yellow in the trustworthy category, then . . . wait a minute . . . there has to be a dominant category for this to work . . . so let's say that the "trustworthy" category is the dominant one . . . wait a minute again . . . I guess you'd have to somehow select the category that you wanted your comment to inherit . . . then your comment would take on the color/rating of that category.
Hmmmmm . . . trying to think this through on the fly. Help me out here, phantazm.
EDIT: Woops . . . I see phantazm and I posted at the same time . . . hey phantazm . . . it's about 11:30PM your time, isn't it?
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- on Mon 17 Aug 2009
- 09:58:39 PM UTC
To sum it up...
When I visit a website, the colour of the WOT icon in my browser reflects the reputation. We may have 4 categories to our disposal, when we rate - but in the end it's summed up to a single colour (- Click and you'll get more info, but I guess most people don't bother...). So...
If you rate a site in such a way that the sum is yellow -
then your comments would also be yellow...PS: Hope it's clearer now..?
EDIT: Hi BobJam, It's 23.42 here - Copenhagen time...
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- on Mon 17 Aug 2009
- 10:59:47 PM UTC
I see
I misunderstood, apologies.
Then I would need to disagree. It sounds like a cool idea but there's one thing it would reveal that is currently private and that is how I actually rate the site; as it is, comments are referential to opinions.
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- G7W -
- on Mon 17 Aug 2009
- 11:10:31 PM UTC
Privacy..?
g7w: "There's one thing it would reveal that is currently private and that is how I actually rate the site"
And by choosing "red" or "green" you don't reveal anything..?
In my opinion we now have the opposite problem: if my rating is yellow, then my comment won't reveal "how I actually rate the site". Even if I want it to do so...
Nevertheless I can see there's a potential problem, but it's easily solved: Your comments colour could be your ratings colour - as default. With the option to select another colour, if you prefer...
Perhaps "gray" could make sense here: a gray comment could mean a comment without rating - or not corresponding to a rating...
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- on Tue 18 Aug 2009
- 12:04:37 AM UTC
comments are not ratings
There is a difference between requesting sites to be rated RED on this forum for the protection of other WOT Members, so leaving RED comments and rating RED to prevent attack or forgery is obvious, they go together like feathers on a bird.
The sites I visit privately and without mention on this board... ratings are more versatile.
Which is why I favor the idea of a Yellow Comment Tag for cautionary purposes.
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- G7W -
- on Tue 18 Aug 2009
- 12:29:45 AM UTC
Ratings and comments
Yes, I know that "comments are not ratings".
Ratings affects a sites reputation, comments do not.
But comments still explain a rating (optionally), and thus they indirectly affects the readers understanding of a rating. Basically I think that all ratings should be explained, but I won't insist upon publicity if someone wants privacy.
If ratings and comments were completely separate entities;
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- on Mon 17 Aug 2009
- 09:52:03 PM UTC
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Then the Useless and Other catagories should be done away with if that is the direction we go. Or add a Grey rating for those comment options.
My original intent was to hopefully not over-complicate anything. Just to add a Yellow option to the comments since there is a Yellow rating option, it just makes sense.
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- on Mon 17 Aug 2009
- 10:07:24 PM UTC
Gray isn't a colour...
Gray isn't a colour, so it's a poor substitute for anything not green or red.
(And "useless" sounds more red, than green, imo...)If comments inherit the colour of (the sum of) your rating,
then "gray" could have a new meaning:
A comment without a rating...Evilfantasy: "My original intent was to hopefully not over-complicate anything"
I'm not trying to make things more complicated, au contraire. As it is now we have to choose a colour twice (first rating, then commenting). And since the colour scheme is different, things are actually more complicated than neccesary. Therefore I suggest a simple, consistent system...
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- on Mon 17 Aug 2009
- 10:05:41 PM UTC
Gray isn't a colour...
But it is an option for our comments. Other and Useless are grey. Grey - Wiki ;)
I just don't think the Other and Useless options are descriptive or as visually attractive as the greyed out Other and Useless. There are sites with files that can harm your computer. That doesn't mean they are malicious websites or should have a yellow rating. We could however have a yellow comment option to get the attention of anyone who does care to investigate a website before trusting or distrusting it.
A Yellow option would be more fitting and descriptive in my opinion.
New option for 'Add Comment' category?
I've only used the 'Other' option a few times and both times I had wished there was another button to select which was yellow in the comments section to select. A 'Caution' button or something similar. There are a few good software vendors that have two versions of installers. A 'Full' and a 'Lite' version. One with bundled software (adware) and one without. CCleaner being the most prominent. While I rate the site green I do give a warning in the description and 'Other' really doesn't grab enough attention for a warning.
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