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- on Wed 17 Mar 2010
- 09:26:00 AM UTC
Re: Help to understand
The confidence level is too low for the trustworthiness component and the reputation is not shown as a result. It will be shown once more users rate the site and the reputation is considered reliable enough.
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- on Wed 17 Mar 2010
- 10:55:06 AM UTC
"if the system always demands to mark all points?"
The system does not demand all 4 to be marked. It could be 1 or 2 or 3 or 4. Sometimes one knows too little to mark all 4, but that's ok...
PS: And remember that comments are not ratings...
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- on Wed 17 Mar 2010
- 12:10:39 PM UTC
Duplicate thread
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- on Sun 21 Mar 2010
- 04:18:36 PM UTC
Duplicates 2
Duplicate threads are only a waste of time.
Plus they are close to spamming...And, fyi shazza is not a troll.
Actually, that is an absurd accusation; dig deeper and you'll see...----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Duplicate threads are only a waste of time.
Plus they are close to spamming...And, fyi shazza is not a troll.
Actually, that is an absurd accusation; dig deeper and you'll see...----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Duplicate threads are as senseless as duplicate posts
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- on Tue 23 Mar 2010
- 10:41:19 PM UTC
It was an ironic example, Mr Millhouse
My duplicate post was an example, nothing more. If we were speaking to each other, then repeating a sentence might sometimes be useful. But we are writing, not talking. And then repetition becomes pointless. Waste of time...
My example was ironic. But irony (and jokes, hints, sarcasm, quotes, idioms, metaphors, etc) is hard to translate precisely. The original meaning may be lost in translation. Or worse, twisted beyond recognition.
Your native language is not English. But many of us could say the same. When both parts only know English as their second (or third) language, then misunderstandings are bound to happen. We should recognize that, and avoid jumping to conclusions...
Googles auto translation is sometimes horrible, occasionally even absurd. So my best advice: find someone that knows English well enough...
Good luck with that...
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- on Sun 21 Mar 2010
- 02:22:09 PM UTC
Troll?
While shazza can speak for herself, I feel compelled to comment.
First of all, I can guarantee you that shazza is neither a troll nor "spiteful".
Second of all, I think you would have been better advised to leave a PM on shazza's board rather than making a ridiculous accusation in public like "spiteful troll". Being as shazza is a well regarded and RELIABLE member, it does not enhance your credibility on these boards.
Thirdly, your comments on your own scorecard (though there is nothing wrong with an owner making comments) look suspiciously like spamming the scorecard (so I guess you can add me to the "spiteful troll" category . . . am in good company).
And lastly . . . you can add SPAM to your list of "Harm". At the very least, it takes up bandwidth . . . and at the very worst it may contain harmful links (though yours seems to be of the "useless bandwidth" variety.
(BTW, a good command of English might help . . . your "Dear shazza" paragraph is pretty unintelligible, though I do get the gist . . . you might have been trying to make a point, but it's lost in the garbled language of that paragraph. Plus, perhaps "spiteful troll" was something in Russian that is not as pejorative as it is in English . . . in which case the language barrier has perverted your meaning. If you're going to post on a predominantly English board, you should get your idioms straight.).
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- on Tue 23 Mar 2010
- 09:14:23 AM UTC
P P P Pawned
Seriously owned by language. Nice thread, decently entertaining.
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- on Mon 22 Mar 2010
- 08:53:13 AM UTC
Bobjam / Phantazm / Jazspeak
Thanks for your support, I did think it best to ignore this guy, but his harassment is
becoming ridiculous. I have responded here stop-troll -
- on Mon 22 Mar 2010
- 09:33:16 AM UTC
Is there a possibilty to
Is there a possibilty to mute Illuminate somehow or do we have to sustain his attacks in every thread where shazza comes to speak. I dont get why he is attacking one person. If he wants to attack someone he should talk to all of us. shazza will not be the only one who rated the site bad.
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- on Mon 22 Mar 2010
- 01:54:17 PM UTC
Maybe This Will Help You Understand
You have imposed as three different alias names(maybe more) :
Pams2010
Millhouse capitals
illuminateAll of which comment several times on sites that you own. It's completely biased, and goes against the Web Of Trusts objective. Trust, comes from the experience of others, and that in turn takes time. Your eagerness to get this accreditation so quickly in my opinion is a reason for concern alone.
I've found that all of these sites sit on the same IP, refferal linking to one another:
8mg.ru
95-95.ru
aiw.ru
alteran.ru
atlantida.in
drenaz.ru
dreniz.com
finlift.ru
herlin.ru
hyperborei.ru
k0ne.com
koneco.ru
liftes.ru
millhousecapitals.com
ms17.ru
park-d.ruAll of these have the same design problems when translating the pages to english, And some share the same telephone numbers. So i can safely presume that they belong to you.
There are websites that relate to completely different things e.g. Mobile communications, web hosting, Lift and elevator engineering, Drainage, Russian History articles etc...
Frankly, i can't understand how you can provide these vast differences of business.What i find really odd is for liftes.ru you impose as a legitimate Kone representative, There is no reference at all on Kone's official website to yours, and you have a domain specifically set to redirect to them(k0ne.com). I believe Kone would have given you some kind of accreditation to say you can provide there products, all you have is there trademark logo which in fact dissapears when translating the page to english. Another point i'd like to make is that you have a script that disables users to right-click on the page, Not a very friendly approach...especially if the information is taken from Kone themselves.
Without any further looking into, I would say this website is Fraudulent.
Your abusive insults to Shazza isn't going to help change peoples opinions either.
Shazza's reputation is highly respected by many members of the WOT.Omega_7
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- on Tue 23 Mar 2010
- 11:00:16 AM UTC
Sarcasm
Your Sarcasm isn't exactly helping your cause. Instead you should be responding in a constructive/meaningful manner. After all, you are representing these companies. You should be trying to convince us that you and your sites are genuine. I may have it wrong about the usernames, it's irrelevent. I made the accusation that the site liftes.ru could be an attempt of Fraud. You chose not to respond to this, Instead you chose to reply to something insignificant.
Omega_7
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- on Mon 22 Mar 2010
- 10:00:14 PM UTC
Trying to be politely could
Trying to be politely could help you.Using insults shows that you have no arguments. Bye!
Blueberrycake Level Member of the WOT Community
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- on Tue 23 Mar 2010
- 12:25:40 PM UTC
Trying to be politely could
As i understood the last post of Illuminate wanted to make WOT and its comunity a compliment. So i think we just forget what Illuminate said at the beginning. He probably understood the way this forum is working.
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- on Tue 23 Mar 2010
- 12:28:15 PM UTC
Re:
A compliment? He compares us with criminal organisations in one of the most corrupt countries in the world. For me the text is full of sarcasm.I cant see a compliment.May someone point it out?
Blueberrycake Level Member of the WOT Community
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- on Tue 23 Mar 2010
- 01:15:31 PM UTC
RE:
I read it again and now i am not sure myself if this text is really a compliment.
If it was a thought as a compliment i think this are the main points:1. Thanks dear friends! For your support, help and explanations.
2. It is very excellently, when several people together fight one
3. Separate thanks your brotherhood for your united consolidated opinion for your
fair and objective estimations of our sites -
hxxp://www.ms17.ru
hxxp://www.8mg.ru----
Yesterday i got a personal message of Illuminate where he was very thankful. I don't know if somebody else got it.
Probably i don't get his meaning in his messages. Probably he only has problems to articulate that we understand correctly._________________________________________________________________
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- on Wed 24 Mar 2010
- 08:20:17 AM UTC
Language barrier
This is precisely why we can't really respond to garbled messages, other then state what we think it is and then ask the OP to either confirm or deny our understanding . . . and even then that effort is on a slippery slope.
At first you thought it was a compliment and then you re-read and got a different impression.
My impression is that the OP is extremely pissed off and perhaps accusing some WOT members of devious behavior. Beyond that I really don't know what the heck they're trying to say. The use of abrasive terms, while annoying, may be the result of the language barrier.
I once responded on another forum to what I thought was very abrasive language. Turned out the poster was German and did not know the meaning of the idiom they were using in English. I called for banning that user (can't remember what the idiom was, but it was something vulgar like "F*** you"). The user apologized and explained (probably had someone more fluent in English do it) that they did not know the meaning of the idiom in English. So I sheepishly retracted my call for banning.
So this is why I'm really hesitant to take this poor language literally, though it does in fact seem to me that these guys know full well what they're saying. Right now, I have to give them the benefit of the doubt (hard to do with all these epithets). The more we try to respond to what we think they're saying, the slippery the slope gets and the greater risk of misunderstanding.
I would like to allow cooler minds to prevail, but I'm not so sure these guys have "cooler minds".
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- on Wed 24 Mar 2010
- 12:22:00 PM UTC
Compliment
Dante found another one.He calls us"sons of jackals"or s.th. like that.Dante:Do you have the link?
Blueberrycake Level Member of the WOT Community
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- on Wed 24 Mar 2010
- 12:43:36 PM UTC
Yes...
Unfortunately this text is in German, but "Brüderschaft der Schakale" is the phrase you meant. Translated: "Brotherhood of jackals"
http://www.mywot.com/en/user/836634/board/comment-...
The whole comment translated via google:
"Hello Dirk!
I apologize for my German - is a result of the translator.
I know your problem by the actions of the participants WOT - the evil Brotherhood of jackals!
They work just like the pack, and if you make a note of them - then they put together the red vengeful characters.The examples of my web sites damaged by these jackals:
http://www.8mg.ru - over the phone connection (they have said, what are the spam)
http://www.ms17.ru - the construction company (they have said what the pornography)It was very simple - a "*1Platinmißgeburt from society WOT" I have the red sign (allegedly supplied the porn on the Bauwebseite unfair!), I have written to him about Brett, but he still gave me a red mark (for spam on its board provided). Then I treated myself to Admin WOT, who recommended me to write about the problem on the forum. I have - and immediately wrote the pack of jackals - the friends of this monster, who call themselves as "the golden company WOT", was passed on to my website and изгадила them. The more evil beings I have seen yet on a service! In addition, Admin WOT not control them! "
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- on Wed 24 Mar 2010
- 12:39:57 PM UTC
Platinmißgeburt
platinum monstrosity
Blueberrycake Level Member of the WOT Community
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- on Tue 23 Mar 2010
- 06:36:42 PM UTC
sigh
*sigh*
I PMed this to someone... but now that there is yet another discussion, I copy-n-paste what I mentioned:
_______re: http://www.mywot.com/forum/5879-stop-troll
Sami closed the thread...re: ms17.ru
Google it
http://www.google.com/q=Mosstroy-17
and I get 2 results, the rest appear "generic"
One is the domain referenced and the other is:
American-Russian Chamber of Commerce & Industry: http://arcci.org/
has a PDF file mentioning Mosstroy-17
http://www.arcci.org/events/handoutsfinal.pdf
[quote]
"CJSC Mosstroy 31: (Moscow) Construction Company. MOSTROY-31 CJSC is
founded by the Construction administrative board No. 31 of the trust Mosstroy-17 of
Glavmosstroy (Principle Moscow Construction firms). For more than 50 years the
administrative board of Mosstroy-31 has acted as a general contractor; building
residential, commercial, medical and cultural facilities, ranging from hotel Ukraina, to the
experimental district Severnoye Chertanovo and a horse riding center Bitsa.
www.ms31.ru/eng/indexeng.html.
Anton Evgenjevich Gorbunov , Deputy General Director, Mosstroy."
[end quote}The whois for ms17.ru
http://whois.domaintools.com/ms17.ru
created: 2007.01.26shows it's NameServers are:
nserver: ns1.millhousecapitals.com.
nserver: ns2.millhousecapitals.com.Interestingly,
http://whois.domaintools.com/millhousecapitals.com
Privacy Protect - created: 21-Jan-2010
and redirect to:
http://ns.worldbank.org.ru/cem/eng/tree.asp?id=35This may be a genuine Russian Construction domain/site.
The *only* place I can find off-site links, and they are the ones that contain links to adult-related sites, casinos, etc. is this URL:
http://www.ms17.ru/stati/This looks like a spammed /abused link page.
You know, "add link to your site here" link exchange.-------
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- G7W -
- on Tue 23 Mar 2010
- 09:42:13 PM UTC
...
since your signature is in English, translate your post; there is no "auto translate" when your forum language is set to English and you type in Russian.
I am not Russian nor do I speak the language.
I am in no mood to copy-past into Google translator. -
- on Wed 24 Mar 2010
- 07:24:02 AM UTC
Translation
Because nothing has happened here i did Google translator:
Hello.
You wrote a lot, but it is not clear - what are you going to say? Mix all in one pile.
1. http://www.mywot.com/forum/5879-stop-troll - yes. closed - so what? Why have you written? What do you want to say?
2. Yes - Mosstroy-17 is in Google - what? company is known, the 80-year history.
3. Mosstroy-31 and Mosstroy-17 - is a different company. In the last century they were in a trust, and now - no relation to each other. What do you want to say?
4. Yes - site Mosstroy-17 (as well as many other sites) are located on our server Millhousecapitals - what?
5. We are not discussing Millhousecapitals
6. Site Mosstroy-17 - construction and it is only natural that he has a section "Articles" (marked as advertising) http://www.ms17.ru/statiwith Shortcuts on construction sites. So what? Some freaks are trying to insert advertising on porn sites, but we monitor and filtered these links and remove. And it does not look the site and its contents on the pornographic.
7. Now - instead of the superfluous phrase-mongering - directly on the site http://www.ms17.ru- A site known reputable construction company with great history. Online photo director general, phone, address, type of activity, license, photo constructed buildings, guest valued clients. What else you need to understand - that this site corresponds to the Green Zone WOT?
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