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- on Mon 22 Mar 2010
- 12:32:29 AM UTC
Auto translation 1
"Talk about Blueberry Mountain and Envinyatar aka Elessar Tar.
Beware WOT
Had me on the recommendation of the site operator of http://www.abzocker-im-internet.npage.de
registered at WOT. Against the side of the operator is apparently led a war of WOT members who want to pull their side in the dirt. I have looked at the site and assessed accordingly. The site has existed for a few years and is addressed to rip off the Internet. Your "positive" comments, and my account was deleted.
Those in charge of WOT, unfortunately, working with "thugs" who do not judge objectively, together. This can make any comments as he pleases, is perfectly correct. If, however, delete comments, and accounts that do not fit into the concept of highwaymen, one must conclude, especially to that side that the supporters of the Abzocker, WOT has long been infiltrated.
I recommend that, in contrast to the site operator, not WOT! WOT is through such people are not trustworthy. The operators of WOT users will like to bring Elessar Tar, Blueberry Mountain, and others, never in control. These people will only harm WOT! I recommend this tool of computer image cheaters!"I just commented elsewhere that googs auto translate is not always so useful. I guess this is a good example of that point. Yes, I think I can guess most of what this is about. However, I'm not at all sure if my guesses are correct, or perhaps misleading. Any germans around..?
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- on Sun 21 Mar 2010
- 11:53:38 PM UTC
Still baffled
Thanks for the translation but I am still baffled by the posting. What does the OP mean by "the concept of highwaymen"? Does the OP think that we charge around the countryside on horses and wave flintlock pistols at passing travellers, whilst demanding that they "Stand and deliver"? I am guessing that the OP is upset with WOT but I have yet to understand what their grievance is.
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- on Mon 22 Mar 2010
- 11:39:18 PM UTC
Volle Zustimmung. Leute wie
Volle Zustimmung. Leute wie Blueberry... schaden durch ihre grundsätzlich unüberlegt negativen Kommentare. Werde WOT jetzt auch mal durch das Computerbild Plugin ersetzen. Und tschüss...
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- on Mon 22 Mar 2010
- 12:11:48 AM UTC
Get yer torches here...
Can't have an angry mob without yer torches....
all kidding aside I didn't follow that one bit lol...
Nigel
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- on Mon 22 Mar 2010
- 12:31:42 AM UTC
Auto translation 2
I followed the bottom link in the OP. Googs auto translation is still horrible. Nevertheless, I hope it helps a bit. But a real translation would still be far better...
"I have WOT on it for a year. 'm In 5 Forum "Towards the rip off" active on the Internet. Once upon a time in a WOT-evaluation, a different side, the opposite opinion, as the commentator. I then have the commentator, my site, which is fighting against Abzocker, www.abzocker-in-internet.npage.de (anyone can see and) called to decide. Within a few hours the site was then evaluated so that they came into the "red" area. There were only two WOT-Mtglieder that have caused this because the other side of WOT members is rarely visited. Of these, two were delivered then ever "negtive" comments. The site was developed by WOT members last year as a useful and informative comments on what it is. Yesterday these were positive comments and positive comments from other WOT away.The negative comments and "both" stopped. The ability to make things like that probably is for any normal WOT users. That is why I call this process as personal revenge and deliberate "Falscheinschätzung" by WOT members who work closely with WOT. My account was locked (laravandenberg) and as I have heard from friends WOT-Mitgleidern, including accounts that have positively assessed the page has been locked. In other words, WOT is not trusted by far. And this is not the first and only opinion on this issue. It is mentioned again and again that WOT is abused by fanatics and sites for personal reasons, moved into the wrong light. Fortunately, every thinking person on the assessment, sometimes appearing to push commentators. I call it a try as "stupidity", leave as a commentator and with Meher comments. Especially make such comments as "useless" if one side common to the people who fight against rip off as it is useful circulated. Such comments could give the impression that these stooges are the cheaters at work. Lara van den Berg"
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- on Mon 22 Mar 2010
- 01:32:04 PM UTC
Falscheinschätzung
it´s "incorrect evaluation"..
Blueberrycake Level Member of the WOT Community
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- on Mon 22 Mar 2010
- 04:22:31 AM UTC
Language barrier
Best I can tell by the crippled Google translation is that the OP is mad about some negative comments on his/her site scorecard. There are some words that would be pejorative in English . . . like "stooges" and "cheaters". That is likely because of the translation, so I can't really take it seriously as it might have a different meaning in German. So, once again, the language barrier strikes, and as many other posters in this thread, I really can ONLY get the gist with the garbled Google translation.
If it's a poor comment, or comments, that annoys the OP . . . well, join the crowd. There are plenty of good safe sites that have some negative comments. Big deal . . .
If the OP is claiming some bizzare conspiracy between WOT and "fanatics" . . . well, those that are convinced the world is plotting against them . . . there is some medication available for this neurotic behavior. Seriously, conspiracy theorists are a group that generally cannot be convinced otherwise, and I'm not going to try . . . especially since it's unclear what the actual problem is because of this garbled translation.
I second phantazm's call for an actual German translation . . . Blueberry Mountain or FlyAqua?
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- on Mon 22 Mar 2010
- 01:30:36 PM UTC
Actual translation
I second phantazm's call for an actual German translation . . . Blueberry Mountain or FlyAqua?
As i am one of the bad guys it wouldn´t be a good idea to translate it.In other cases i would be happy to translate
Blueberrycake Level Member of the WOT Community
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- on Mon 22 Mar 2010
- 03:08:07 PM UTC
Trust
I would trust your translation. "Recusing" yourself is a good gesture . . . my compliments . . . but I don't think it's necessary.
(Actually, ANY translation . . . even if you think it would be biased because you're one of the "bad guys" . . . would be better than the mess that Google makes.)
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- on Fri 09 Apr 2010
- 09:33:49 PM UTC
Why not using translators
Why not using translators like http://www.online-translator.com/ ?
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- on Mon 22 Mar 2010
- 03:22:59 PM UTC
My try.
OlDee is attacking some Members of WOT because of wrong or fake comments.
But that is not the main thing he is Complaining about. He tells us, that his positive comment has been deleted. He likes the idea of making comments like youself think its right, but it is not okay to delete comments because of special people like he mentioned.
He thinks that WOT got useless because to much scammers are already registered in WOT to change a sites reputation.
Further he claims, that the mentioned site is AGAINST scamming in web and is therefore not correct rated.// I hope this translation is good enough.
// @all other german speaker: please check my writing
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- on Mon 22 Mar 2010
- 04:15:33 PM UTC
Blueberry Mountain
"He thinks that WOT got useless because to much scammers are already registered in WOT to change a sites reputation."
So is he saying that Blueberry Mountain is one of those scammers?Now don't take this wrong, Blueberry Mountain, 'cause I don't think you are a scammer by any stretch . . . but I'm curious: Does the OP present any concrete evidence of this, other then anecdotal claims of the allegation?
"He tells us, that his positive comment has been deleted"
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- on Mon 22 Mar 2010
- 04:26:53 PM UTC
Re:
Don´t worry, i don´t take this wrong
Does the OP present any concrete evidence of this, other then anecdotal claims of the allegation
If he had given any reasons to change my rating i would have done this. But there were only insults and allegations. If anyone find something i might have overlooked
feel free to tell meBlueberrycake Level Member of the WOT Community
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- on Mon 22 Mar 2010
- 04:34:45 PM UTC
I've just noticed this
I've just noticed this thread. Perhaps I can bring some light in this discussion, but I must also warn you that since I'm one of the persons who OlDee blames my opinion might be prejudiced and not neutral.
To put all in a nutshell: What OlDee wrote here has nothing to do with him personaly. It is a citation of another person which had problems with the ratings of Blueberry Mountain and Me on http://www.abzocker-im-internet.npage.de/ . It seems that he used this citation because he wanted to compromise us as revenge for leaving negative comments on his site (http://www.mywot.com/en/scorecard/ebook-galaxy.npa....
Blue and Me left some comments on Oldee's ebook-shop-site "http://ebook-galaxy.npage.eu" because we noticed some issues about the lack of data privacy, adult content, etc. OlDee read our comments and started threatening us with libel action if we don't delete our comments until 29.03.2010. I've tried to explain him why I've written this comments, but he wasn't really interested in explanations and insist on deleting our comments, otherwise we would see us in the court. He wrote that he will bring a charge against us and that WOT has to tell him our real names, address, etc., so that we shouldn't believe that we are safe. Blue and Me explained him that we won't change out comments unless he fix the complained issues on his site, and that we refuse to be blackmailed by him.
This thread here seems to be the response of our answer.
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- on Mon 22 Mar 2010
- 05:45:24 PM UTC
Neubeginn / New beginning
Ich stimme für einen Neustart in dieser Angelegenheit.
Alleine die Webseite und sein Angebot bewertet werden, denn darum geht es bei WOT. Streitigkeiten gehören in keine Bewertung
Vermutungen, ob der Verkäufer aufgrund seiner (mit der Zeit angreifenderen) Beiträgen als kriminell gilt, gehören hier nicht hin.
Angesichts seiner (aus meiner Sicht ausreichend erklärenden) AGBs empfinde ich die Webseite als vertrauenswürdig.
Mehr als die AGBs und gute Kundenerfahrungen kann man als privater Händler nicht bieten, zumal die Professionalität stets unterschiedlich von Händler zu Händler ist und ebenso die Ansprüche und Sichtweisen der jeweiligen Kunden.Translation of Google:
I vote for a fresh start in this matter.
Just the site and its offer will be evaluated, because that is WOT. Dispute does not belong in a reputation.
Conjecture whether the seller is his (with time harder) contributions as a criminal, does not belong out here.
Given his (in my view, adequately explained) Policies, I feel the site trustworthy.
The professionalism is always different from dealer to dealer and also the expectations and perspectives of each client.(I hope that is understandable.)
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- on Mon 22 Mar 2010
- 04:55:10 PM UTC
Please xyaide, the
Please xyaide, the discussion is on english. Would you please be so kind to translate for the others?
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- on Mon 22 Mar 2010
- 05:01:06 PM UTC
Re: Tar Elessar und Blueberry Mountain
Mein "positivere" Kommentar sowie mein Account wurden gelöscht.
Note to anyone involved with the site in question: if you use multiple user accounts to rate or comment on websites, don't be surprised to see your account banned and comments deleted. If your account has been banned, don't create ten new accounts and hope that they'll go unnoticed. Instead, contact us, explain yourself, and we'll consider restoring one of the accounts.
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- on Mon 22 Mar 2010
- 05:16:09 PM UTC
multiple user accounts
This was a problem on "http://www.abzocker-im-internet.npage.de". The owner of the site (she calls herself "Lara van den Berg") tried to push up her site with multiple accounts but insisted that these accounts didn't belong to her. She blamed Blue and Me for deleting these accounts just because "they" (not just "her" ;-)) contradicted us. Unnecessary to say that we don't have such power on WOT ;-)
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- on Mon 22 Mar 2010
- 05:09:40 PM UTC
Across the pond
No insult intended to you folks in Europe, but there seems to be a lot of people from some certain countries over there that rely heavily on threats of suits for "libel".
Granted, it's always good to be able to appeal to the authorities if you have been wrongly accused. But to carry this concept over to the Internet, where weirdos always lurk and sometimes come out of the bushes, and where public boards abound with all sorts of "opinions", is stretching this a bit too far, IMO.
Do you guys have an abundance of hungry trial lawyers? (And I will admit that we have them in the US too.) Your laws seem to feed them pretty well.
We have our fair share of ridiculous laws here also, but I think you guys (fortunately) are ahead of us in that category.
We're still rather crude here in the Colonies, but this is one area that I hope we remain "crude" about.
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- on Mon 22 Mar 2010
- 05:22:29 PM UTC
Re: Awful
No insult intended to you folks in Europe, but there seems to be a lot of people from some certain countries over there that rely heavily on threats of suits for "libel".
That´s right. But lots of threats of suit are useless. They try to scare you to act like they wish. Last week a notorious lawyer was convicted to pay a fee because of unfounded lawsuites. So sometimes they get a shot across the bow
Blueberrycake Level Member of the WOT Community
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- on Mon 22 Mar 2010
- 05:34:00 PM UTC
Re: Awful
But lots of threats of suit are useless
Despite this, everyone should remember that they are still bound by their local laws on the web too. You are ultimately responsible for everything you write, whether it's on this website or somewhere else. Getting sued may not be a pleasant experience (depending on your jurisdiction, of course), so everyone should always think before they post.
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- on Mon 22 Mar 2010
- 05:45:39 PM UTC
Everything I've written on
Everything I've written on OlDee's site is verifiable so there is no "libel". I'm not afraid of him, and I live in a country where "freedom of opinion" exists.
Btw, insulting someone is also chargeable. Perhaps OlDee should be afraid that I sue him ;-)
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- on Mon 22 Mar 2010
- 05:50:32 PM UTC
Re: Re:
That´s right. But i think if you write in a factual way only facts that you can evidence you are not in danger
Actually my post is probably not related to suits for libel but to general suits...
Blueberrycake Level Member of the WOT Community
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- on Mon 22 Mar 2010
- 05:43:34 PM UTC
in Europe
London has become known as the Libel Capital of the World, mainly because the Libel Laws are so strict in the UK. We even get you Colonials (no insult intended) coming over here to get libel cases heard even though the payouts in US Courts are bigger than in the UK.
Actually, there is the serious point that the "weirdos" need to understand that expressing an opinion is one thing but Freedom of Speech is not the freedom to spread lies and disinformation. Freedom of Speech, even on the Internet, comes at the cost of being truthful. Expressing an adverse opinion is OK as long as expressing that opinion is not a dishonest effort to damage a reputation. It is acceptable to express a misguided opinion as long as the misguided person is willing to amend that opinion in the light of evidence, and offer an apology to the wronged party.
I wouldn't say that we "have an abundance of hungry trial lawyers", since the fees that they charge mean that they never go hungry (and there is no Legal Aid for libel cases in the UK). However, there are plenty of greedy lawyers, and not just in Europe.
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- on Mon 22 Mar 2010
- 11:27:42 PM UTC
Churchill
As WSC once said (and I'm paraphrasing): "America and Britain have a culture in common, but not a language".
"Colonials (no insult intended)"
None taken. Indeed, to me the term "Colonial" is complimentary, especially from someone whose ancestors were defeated in the Revolutionary War (grin)."Expressing an adverse opinion is OK as long as expressing that opinion is not a dishonest effort to damage a reputation."
That is the key element here too. It IS libel if you said it just to maliciously detract and KNEW it not to be true. While some site owners claim that to be the case here on WOT, I think it's more a case of honest errors . . . though I'm sure there's malicious and dishonest claims in some few cases."there are plenty of greedy lawyers, and not just in Europe"
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- on Tue 23 Mar 2010
- 12:58:40 AM UTC
"defeated in the Revolutionary War"
There is an interesting true story about the Revolutionary War. I know that it is off topic but it is worth telling.
During that war there was a British Officer, Col. Patrick Ferguson, who was a sniper, and whose personal morals meant that he refused to shoot anyone in the back. On one occasion the Officer was aiming to shoot a Revolutionary but he then refused to do so because the target had turned his back to Ferguson. That target was George Washington, and if it wasn't for the British sense of fair play then US history might have taken a very different turn.
This story was brought to my attention in feedback to one of my poems, which can be found at: http://www.webook.com/submission.aspx?p=0832eb356b... (You don't have to read the poem, just scroll down to the bottom of the poem to find the feedback).
Tar Elessar und Blueberry Mountain
Soviel zum Thema Blueberry Mountain und Envinyatar alias Tar Elessar.
Vorsicht vor WOT
Habe mich auf Empfehlung der Seitenbetreiberin von http://www.abzocker-im-internet.npage.de bei WOT registriert. Gegen die Seitenbetreiberin wird scheinbar ein Krieg von WOT-Mitgliedern geführt, die ihre Seite in den Schmutz ziehen wollen. Ich habe mir die Seite angesehen und entsprechend bewertet. Die Seite existiert schon ein paar Jahre und ist gegen Abzocke im Internet gerichtet. Mein "positivere" Kommentar sowie mein Account wurden gelöscht.
Die Verantwortlichen von WOT arbeiten leider mit "Wegelagerern", die nicht objektiv urteilen, zusammen. Das jeder Kommentare abgeben kann wie er will, ist völlig richtig. Wenn aber Kommentare und Accounts gelöscht werden, die nicht in das Konzept der Wegelagerer passen, muss man zu dem Schluss kommen, speziell zu der genannten Seite, dass die Helfer der Abzocker, WOT längst unterwandert haben.
Ich empfehle, im Gegensatz zu der Seitenbetreiberin, WOT nicht! WOT ist durch solche Leute nicht mehr Vertrauenswürdig. Die Betreiber von WOT werden User wie, Tar Elessar, Blueberry Mountain und andere, nie unter Kontrolle bringen. Diese Leute schaden nur WOT! Ich empfehle das Abzockertool von Computerbild!
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