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- on Sat 20 Jun 2009
- 12:39:31 AM UTC
More new-ish web sites for the same crime
hydrowaterpower.com
moneysavingdevice.com
alternativegassolutions.com
alternativegreensystems.com
GasConversionReviews.com
ozhydrocars.com
Improve-Gas-Mileage.Info
dry-cells.com
KleenEmissions.com
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- on Wed 24 Jun 2009
- 03:54:16 PM UTC
Latest news in the "water as fuel" scam
Yet more victims of the "hho" (oxyhydrogen) "water as fuel" scam and the Dennis Lee prosecution have stepped forward with their testimonies. Some of the victims paid around $400,000 for the "honor" of being robbed. Meanwhile, the web sites selling the same are increasing with new ones showing up every few days.
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- on Thu 18 Aug 2011
- 11:47:41 PM UTC
RE: Latest news in the "water as fuel" scam
You cannot compare the charlatan Dennis Lee to the rest of us that have legitimate businesses with real customers and results. Dennis Lee is a scammer and has always run scams. he had lousy systems and lied about the results.
We do NOT have lousy systems and have well over 2200 satisfied customers. We have been in business since 2008. You don't grow, invest in patents, building, employees, and inventory by running a scam.
Lee was all talk... we are not.
I will put money up in an escrow account if you want to do the same. Lets do a bet- I'd be glad to prove our systems work because it happens every week. You willing to put YOUR money where your mouth is?
This is a lie and false assessment of our website and we are contesting everyone that posts such lies, and will continue to do so.
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- on Sun 12 Jul 2009
- 12:30:47 AM UTC
Your the phoney
This site is not phoney....and the product works! We have used these generators on our family farm for 2 years. You are just a blowhard! That thinks you know everything!
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- on Thu 18 Aug 2011
- 11:49:31 PM UTC
RE: Your the phoney
There are a LOT of us out here that run legitimate businesses with good generators and products. There will always be those that want to stop us from progressing forward.. Keep fighting against the lies and propaganda posted by these ne'er do wells...
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- on Sun 21 Aug 2011
- 05:23:12 PM UTC
RE: Your the phoney
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- on Thu 25 Aug 2011
- 12:09:10 AM UTC
RE: Your the phoney
Hmm- seems to be a pattern of terrorism here against any that stand up to a false rating? You have yet to provide ONE SHRED of evidence against my company. Put up or shut up.
You can refer all you want to the technology as a whole- I don't really care. YOU have not accused the technology. you HAVE ATTACKED my company, and as such, you need to present ANY EVIDENCE directly related to MY COMPANY. You can't- because you don't have any, because we are a good company with a good product and lots of happy customers.
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- on Thu 25 Aug 2011
- 12:23:35 AM UTC
RE: Scam
Then it is your responsibility to rate correctly- right? Well you have not done so in my case. We are not a scam site or a dangerous/phishing site. Not even close.
We are a valid California Corp with a building, employees, office staff, and assemblers. We build and sell all over the world to over 2200 customers- many who come back and refer friends and family. Something that would NOT happen in a scam.
I sent an email out to my customers when I found out about the false ranking your site has given us- they responded by leaving 13 pages of replies and positive comments. Have you even tried to look at them? Have you taken a minute to see how our actual customers think about us and our products?
If you have any search for truth in you at all- then look at those comments and tell me to my face we are a scam site. We are not anything even remotely related.if you want to make glib statements about the technology- that is your opinion. But if you are accusing my site and my company specifically- then give me evidence about MY COMPANY. Not the technology- not someones opinion- give me hard evidence against MY COMPANY being a scam. You won't find any because we are not.
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- on Sat 20 Jun 2009
- 05:11:50 AM UTC
Scam scam scam
It also looks like the "Scanalert Hackersafe" icon is fake, as it says it was tested the first of January and doesn't have an actual link to McAfee's site.
Then again, I can't remember if McAfee Hackersafe sites have a link to McAfee.
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- on Thu 25 Aug 2011
- 12:11:18 AM UTC
RE: Scam scam scam
I have just gotten the false report at websecurityguard.com reversed. It also FALSELY claimed we were a malware/scam/phishing site. After demanding evidence to that fact over the course of four days, they had to admit they had NOTHING directly tying me or MY COMPANY to any adware/malware/ phishing or scam site.
This is an unjust attack on my company.
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- on Wed 24 Jun 2009
- 04:40:49 PM UTC
Yet more web sites, same scam
HydroFuelGenerator.com
electricity4gas.com
HHOkitsDirect.com
burnhydrox.com
autoonhydrogenguide.com
hydro-extra.webs.com
l2hybrids.com
aquareactor.com
advancedhho.com
gasconversionkits.com
hho-car-kits.com
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- on Thu 25 Aug 2011
- 12:30:07 AM UTC
RE: Yet more web sites, same scam
I recognize you from Youtube...you are a hateful human being and probably responsible for the attack on us there as well. Hmmm- I need to report this one...
You have not ONE SHRED of evidence my company is a scam. You only deal in generalities and lies about the technology.
Frankly- your opinion is just that, an opinion.But you HAVE NO EVIDENCE-NOT ONE directly against my company.
So either present evidence DIRECTLY related to my company in support of your misdirected anger and false statements, or expose yourself as the liar you are.
You have no right including my site in this judgment- not one.
I have tons of evidence that our product not only works, but works well. DO you have evidence against my company directly that proves it doesn't? You want to put money down on a bet? Cause I can prove many times over ours DO work. If you are so sure they don't, then you won't mind putting up say $1000 in an escrow account on a bet right?
I'll be glad to take your money on that bet.
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- on Sun 28 Jun 2009
- 07:27:00 PM UTC
A funny example
I like this version of the scam:
waterpoweredcar.com
F***ing hilarious with its "pray for Obama" plea, all the while selling a device that doesn't work.
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- on Mon 29 Jun 2009
- 05:04:04 PM UTC
The Jerks!
I AM FURIOS ABOUT THIS!
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- on Mon 29 Jun 2009
- 02:23:38 AM UTC
FYI
Back in the mid to late '80's I met a guy named Stan Meyers (or was it Myers?) by mistake.
There was a meeting at a place I was working on a Saturday; I was in the shop building duct work for a large job, so I wasn't supposed to be there...
I was asked by my boss to stop what I was doing, too much noise, and join in the meeting.
This guy was advertising a water powered car and the use of hydrogen for other fuels such as home heating.
I am a skeptic, believe no one...
After all the talk which I considered BS the meeting ended up in the parking lot.
This guy was from Youngstown Ohio, or a suburb of, and we were in Canton, about an hours drive or so... He had this dune buggy, stripped dow VW but the engine wasn't quite the same. There was 1 tank for fuel, he drained it into cups for the men who attended the meeting, and drank what was in his - just water. He ran the engine till it died - out of fuel. Then he refilled the tank from a garden hose, started up his water engine and many were a bit amazed, skeptical, but amazed. Then he drove off in it. I never heard much about him until it was reported in the local news how he died from food poisoning with a group of oil executives, the only one in the party who suffered any sickness from the dinner. Looking at Wikipedia, this is mentioned as bogus info - but it's exactly what was mentioned on the news and in the papers. The thing about a wiki is that anyone can introduce and/or edit information; an easy way to rewrite history, if you will. If I wasn't there, I would have told my boss he was "full of it" had he mentioned the meeting to me the following Monday. There are things that current corporations do that are not in the interest of the environment, the people, or any other "cause" if it does not produce enough profit. Money is what drives many corporations. What would happen to the oil profits and all those investors, including many 401k plans if people could fuel their vehicles from the water out of their kitchen sink? Hydrogen is a clean and efficient fuel, not to mention "green" friendly. And as for "water power" being a bunch of crap, what about BMW's water car from 2006? Are they bogus too?
http://www.bmw.com/com/en/insights/technology/effi...Granted a lot of these sites are scams, you'll find that anywhere and everywhere, even with juice machines and vitamins, but it doesn't mean that juice has no good qualities and that every juice site is a fraud.
You need to keep your mind open for new technology, if not... we would still be using Morse Code on a telegraph.
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- on Fri 21 Aug 2009
- 04:59:54 PM UTC
Just a goddamn minute
What the hell is wrong with Morse Code :)
Don't be dissin my code
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- on Thu 22 Oct 2009
- 06:19:58 PM UTC
Response to G7w
One of the things you have to keep in mind is that the best scams have SOME kind of truth behind them, at least enough to bamboozle people into believing. They have to play either on an inadequate understanding of the science involved, or a desire that the customer has, some kind of need or want that can serve to cloud their judgement enough to make them vulnerable to manipulation.
These products can play on anything from the need to belong, to exploitation of naturally erroneous modes of thinking, to appeals to 'higher causes' such as helping other people when you actually aren't helping anyone but the proponent of the scam...
For example psychics capitalize on the tendency of most people to be alert to synchronicity, and the confirmation biases which exist in every person (we tend to remember correlating events and forget all the billions of incidences in our day which don't COincide, and subsequently accept causal arguments unscientifically)... So when someone gullible rubs a crystal every day for a week, and wins $10, they credit the crystal for the win, ignoring the fact that every other day of the week they lost $10 playing the same game or something.
Similarly, religious fundamentalists exploit the often counter-intuitive nature of geological timeframes, and poor science education (which they actively try to retard further) in order to peddle their bronze-age mythologies.
Other unscientific beliefs crop up in areas where the truth is uncomfortable or confronting, such as exposing deceit and manipulation by the government in the events surrounding the 9/11 attacks - 6 of the 10 official 9/11 commissioners called for further investigation, and 3 recommended criminal charges be brought against those in the government and military who allowed the attacks to succeed, but that sort of information is suppressed and shouted down by people who want to continue in the false belief that their (sometimes) elected officials can be trusted.
Likewise, people want to believe in easy money (or saving thereof), as these devices play on... All the same, I wouldn't be surprised if the implications in your story are true - I'm sure there are a lot of people who would kill someone when there's hundreds of millions of dollars at stake, just in their own little piece of the company pie. I know I'd be tempted :p
Anyhoo I realize I'm waffling on a lot, I'll shush now ;) My YouTube page is www.youtube.com/Gliktch if anyone wants to access a lot of quality educational lectures and debates etc (not my own uploads, but rather playlists of excellent resources). :)
- Gliktch/Cheesetrap
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- on Thu 22 Oct 2009
- 10:13:53 PM UTC
Compliments
My compliments for a very interesting post.
Your logic is impeccable.
Are you in the marketing biz? I ask because you seem to have a good handle on what motivates people to do certain things.
Too bad the people in Germany during the 30's didn't realize those things, or the Third Reich would never have happened (I'm reading Shirer's work right now and see the obvious connection).
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- on Sun 15 Nov 2009
- 03:31:59 AM UTC
RE: Compliments
Well thanks for the kind reviews ;)
No, I don't work in marketing, though the first few years of my working life I was in sales. As a person with Asperger's Syndrome, I lack the abilities which most people naturally possess, to subconsciously analyse and respond to non-verbal communication (body language, voice tonal/pitch modulation and other prosodic information, facial expressions and so on), so I had to train myself to *consciously* analyse these behaviours in my day-to-day interactions with other people. Straight out of high school, I threw myself in the deep end and worked door-to-door sales for almost a year, as a kind of 'crash course' in face-to-face communication. Best thing I ever did, it got me started on the road to understanding people (including, most importantly, myself).
At the same time I also explored many related social conventions and the way various parts of society interact (commerce, the family, legislature, religion, etc). While I can't speak for all 'Aspys', I can say that at least some of us have trouble seeing the value or sense in things like pleasantries, taboos, advertising, and a number of other social conventions and constructs which are essentially ubiquitous in modern life. In some contexts (especially courtship, or touchy situations like funerals), common social conventions and prohibitions can be immensely frustrating and counter-productive to the mind of someone who abhors inefficiency and excessive emotional baggage. Okay, it's difficult to properly convey the point I'm trying to make there, but suffice to say that it is only after actively pursuing understanding of these things, that I am in a position to successfully operate and flourish in a social environment; I could just have easily been a hermit pumping out code from his basement but I decided I wanted a real life instead :P
So in a way I guess I can claim to have a better understanding of human motivation than some people, as I lack many of the automatic responses that 'normal' people exhibit, and thus have to actually think before responding to social stimuli. I of course still make plenty of stupid decisions, but I know WHY they were stupid ;)
I'm not sure that this insight would have headed off the Nazis, though - if the Stanley Milgram experiment showed us anything, it's that people tend to turn off their brains (or at least their sense of personal responsibility) when asked to do something by a person with a badge. So long as we have people trained to defer to authority (everything from a parent's "Because I said so!", to full-scale religious or military indoctrination), we will have problems with those people's psyches being hijacked for nefarious purposes and detrimental agendas.
Feel free to drop me a message on my YouTube if you would like to discuss any of these topics further; it seems to be where I spend most of my time these days, when I'm not working :)
- Gliktch
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- on Fri 23 Oct 2009
- 01:33:12 AM UTC
re: Gliktch
The truth about scams is that they are nothing more than scams.
I went to a psychic once, my immediate remark to them was, "you already know why I'm here." They had no clue - needless to state my opinion of psychics.
religion - I'm more or less an atheist; religion fullfils a need for weak minded individuals who have the desire to be forgiven today for what they are about to do tomorrow; there is no invisible man in the sky who created everything but can not manage his money... (G.C. rip)
The only truth in politics is: there is no truth.
Easy money exists in one way — that penny you found on the street; but you need to ask yourself was the noticing, stopping, bending over, reaching down, grasping, picking up, looking at, placing in pocket... worth it?
My story was simply an account of an actual life event, there is no requirement to believe it - this is the internet.
;-)
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- on Fri 23 Oct 2009
- 02:07:18 AM UTC
Careful
"religion fullfils a need for weak minded individuals who have the desire to be forgiven today for what they are about to do tomorrow"
While I pretty much agree with that specific statement (nice humor BTW), I wouldn't label all religious people as "weak minded" (don't know if that's what you intended).Am not by any means a religious person myself, so I'm not defending them. But Jesuits, Thomas Aquinus, William F. Buckley Jr., and a few others I can't think of right now, are hardly "weak minded".
I think Gliktch/Cheesetrap was talking about Bible Thumping fundamentalists that promote things like "Intelligent Design" versus traditional evolution (or the morons that crashed into the World Trade Center and thought they would have 72 virgins to play with in the hereafter).
Richard Dawkins has some interesting counterarguments to that Intelligent Design stuff in his latest book.
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- on Fri 23 Oct 2009
- 02:10:22 AM UTC
re: weak minded
the flock of sheep didn't sound quit right, so I went with weak minded instead - those who have a need to be led.
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- on Sun 15 Nov 2009
- 04:54:02 AM UTC
RE: Religious nonsense
I wouldn't label all religious people as "weak minded"
Agreed - smart people can believe all sorts of batsh!t crazy stuff. There are probably at least some near-geniuses out there who believe in orgone or out-of-body-experiences; acupuncture or chiropractics; demons or Dianetics... I think Dr. Michael Shermer said it best (I'm paraphrasing):
"Intelligent people are better at defending notions at which they have arrived by unintelligent means." - Why People Believe Weird Things
If you raised, say, 20 kids from birth with the constantly-reinforced notion that dancing particular ways can influence the weather (but only if you get it just right), then chances are even if they're all of genius IQ that at least a few of them will retain that belief into adulthood and perhaps their whole lives; especially if their peer group and authority figures unanimously support the erroneous concept. This is currently the case in tracts of the United States, where education systems have been usurped to push religious agendas and infect the next generation with the religion mindvirus. Memetic evolution in action...
So, in a nutshell, yeah - being smart does not convey immunity from things like corrupt information and confirmation biases. Especially if an individual is infected with a mindvirus when the intellectual immune system (critical thinking skills) is underdeveloped, as in children, or that system is temporarily depressed by tragedy, addiction, personal hardship or illness (exactly the times when religion tends to pounce).
I would also point out that before things like germ theory, debunking of geocentrism, space travel, evolution through natural selection, radiometric dating, and all the other monumental leaps in scientific knowledge that occurred in the past couple of centuries, it was possibly 'less stupid' to believe in certain things we know to be nonsense today. Now that we know so much about the workings of the immediate world we live in, however, we see the various gods either blink out of existence altogether, or shed their explanatory power bit by bit until they have retreated to amorphous, useless conjectures of 'higher powers' who only pop down to earth for the occasional cancer remission, lacking the traditional flamboyance associated with the mythological 'powers that be', since we actually know the causes of most natural phenomena now and have little need for gods.
This expansion of our collective knowledge forces gods to either adapt to become wispy notions of non-interventionist 'prime movers', or go the opposite route and claim things like creationism and divine medical intercession in the face of all the blatant evidence to the contrary, and fight militantly to maintain the ignorance and mis-education of their flocks.
I realize I'm rambling a bit, sorry :)
- Gliktch
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- on Mon 16 Nov 2009
- 08:01:13 PM UTC
We usually check very few things directly...
Usually we employ two indirect tests
to check if a statement is true:The external test: If a hear/read something, I assume that a million have heard it before me. If they didn't object, then I'm probably not genius enough to be wiser than a million. So, I don't have to check it, if I 'know' everybody else already have. Of course, this test can fail. No guarantee that everybody else didn't think exactly the same. Result: everybody 'know', yet nobody verified...
The internal check: If a hear/read something, I can ask myself if it 'makes sense'. Does the new piece fit the puzzle I already have in my mind. Of course this test is fallible too. No guarantee that something is true, just because it would be be nice. I remember a warning from a long gone history author: beware of myths, sometimes they can be brilliant, and yet utterly wrong...
Btw, religion usually passes both indirect tests, and the result: hundreds of religions and thousands of gods. But only one version of science. Imagine the condition of the world, if conditions were reversed...
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- on Thu 18 Aug 2011
- 11:55:21 PM UTC
RE: FYI
I have personally studied Stan Meyers Patents and notes- he was a genius with his math and his designs were so much more evolved than most involved with this technology today have delved into. I have no doubt his product worked, and many are just starting to duplicate his resonance theories in their prototype generators.
I have also met with a man here locally that traveled around with Yull Brown when he was busy patenting his newest line of on demand hydrogen generators. He was constantly berated and slandered for his work, though his generators and designs are still in use today.
Thanks for at least an honest post on the subject..
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- on Mon 29 Aug 2011
- 02:39:55 PM UTC
Stanley Meyer's water fuel cell
The water fuel cell is a purported free energy device invented by American Stanley Allen Meyer (August 24, 1940 – March 21, 1998). He claimed that an automobile retrofitted with the device could use water as fuel instead of gasoline. The fuel cell purportedly split water into its component elements, hydrogen and oxygen. The hydrogen was then burned to generate energy, a process that reconstituted the water molecules. According to Meyer, the device required less energy to perform electrolysis than the minimum energy requirement predicted or measured by conventional science. If the device worked as specified, it would violate both the first and second laws of thermodynamics, allowing operation as a perpetual motion machine. Meyer's claims about his "Water Fuel Cell" and the car that it powered were found to be fraudulent by an Ohio court in 1996...
Read more: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanley_Meyer%27s_wat...
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- on Fri 21 Aug 2009
- 12:09:10 PM UTC
Water = H2 O
Its Simple, pass electric current through water to seperate the H2 from the O, use the Hydrogen to run the engine. Try it.
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- on Tue 25 Aug 2009
- 12:39:18 AM UTC
More than one kind of current...
evilfantasy: "Just pass electricity through water?"
There's more than one kind of electricity; it's direct current at work here, not alternating. And you're right, it could be deadly. A mix of Hydrogen and Oxygen is quite explosive (remember Hindenburg..?) - one spark could be enough to ignite it all, so kids, don't try this at home, or elsewhere...
New web site, old crime
hydrowaterpower.com
This is a scam; these devices do not work. Dennis Lee is currently being prosecuted for making the same claims this web site claims.