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   • g7w on Sat 04 Jul 2009
   • 06:36:14 PM UTC

   Rated

   Rated as Scam/Fraud/Phishing
   shared server IP's have not been identified.
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   • cotojo on Sat 04 Jul 2009
   • 07:11:29 PM UTC

   Got 'em

   Thanks my friend, got them all with my new toy :-)
   

   Colin
   http://freepcsecurity.co.uk
   "If you have knowledge, let others light their candles with it" - Winston Churchill

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  • shazza on Sat 04 Jul 2009
  • 07:37:00 PM UTC

  Rated / Commented x2

  And ticked a few comments that were marked down!
  Thanks g7w

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   • cconniejean on Sat 04 Jul 2009
   • 10:56:22 PM UTC

   We had a complaint posted

   We had a complaint posted today on affiliatefunnel_com, running a 777seo_com banner that auto searches, will only do it once every 24 hrs as it's set for 24 hr unique views. I couldn't see how it was coming through, so had to ask how.

   Details and explaination: http://www.who-is-who-in-gpt.com/forum/index.php?s...

   http://www.affiliatefunnel.com/givesqueeze2pic.php?rid=17547

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  • paulkinder on Sun 05 Jul 2009
  • 06:14:30 AM UTC

  iframe insertion

  Hi, I'm Paul Kinder, owner of Affiliate Funnel (which btw is not associated in any way with the sites listed on those other two servers - we just own the top one)

  Thanks for the headsup here - much appreciated. We enable our members to enter their own web forms on this page with the sole intention of enabling their customers to optin direct to our member's email lists.

  I was completely unaware it was possible for them to enter iframes. I've just asked my biz partner Tim Rash (the techy half of our team) to investigate this and ensure it cannot happen again. User 17547 will be banned from using our system assuming Tim agrees with your conclusions (I'm not technical so this is Tim's decision but it looks cut and dry to my untrained eye).

  Thanks again for your help. I might add that if you hear of anything like this again we're always happy to help if we receive support tickets. Hard to resolve issues we're not aware of. Pure chance I saw this forum post.

  Thanks
  Paul

  PS We're a good business and I have no idea why we're blacklisted here at WOT.

  g7w instigated the whole thing because he appears to think we're associated with Paul Birdsall. He did not do a WHOIS - as far as I can tell we are included because Paul Birdsall owns the streanlinefunnelsystem.com and our site has a similar name.

  We are also not associated with affiliatefunnelsystem.com either. Again, it just has a similar name.

  I have seen no evidence explaining why g7w has blacklisted us. g7w refuses to answer me. My reply to him and two comments appear to have been deleted.

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  • cconniejean on Sun 05 Jul 2009
  • 04:16:34 PM UTC

  It's an insertion

  It's not a iframe insertion. It is a 486x60 iframe banner that runs autosearching behind that banner.
  Details: http://www.who-is-who-in-gpt.com/forum/index.php?s...

  My rating for this one will remain red.

  #iframe width=486 height=60 frameborder=0 src='hxxp://www.777seo.com/seo.php?username=kerjak' marginwidth=0 marginheight=0 vspace=0 hspace=0 allowtransparency=true scrolling=no##/iframe#


  <> have been replaced with the # symbol

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  • paulkinder on Sun 05 Jul 2009
  • 05:29:21 PM UTC

  Got it!

  Thanks for the extra info.

  I just heard back from Tim - I don't understand your message tbh but of course he did! :-)

  The security hole has been blocked and we're very grateful for you help with this, very much appreciated.

  I'm now deleting affiliate 17547 from our membership.

  Thanks again for you help
  Paul

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  • cconniejean on Sun 05 Jul 2009
  • 06:24:39 PM UTC

  Thank you for the update, I

  Thank you for the update, I will post at my forum the issue has been resolved.

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  • paulkinder on Mon 06 Jul 2009
  • 12:59:26 AM UTC

  thank you

  thanks Connie.

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   • cconniejean on Sat 04 Jul 2009
   • 11:47:45 PM UTC

   All rated, commented or

   All rated, commented or agreed.

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   • paulkinder on Sun 05 Jul 2009
   • 12:58:43 PM UTC

   Hello Again

   Sorry David, you forced me back again :-)

   I didn't actually ask you to move our sites here, I asked you to remove your complaint which is causing us to show as a bad site. And I now ask you again.

   You originally added our sites to your comments about Paul Birdsall's domain: thestreamlinefunnelsystem.com

   Here are the facts as I see them...

   1. Not one of my sites has ever nor will ever link to a Paul Birdsall site.
   2. I am on record in public forums recommending people to not join his sites
   3. You still have not provided any evidence to substantiate your comments against Affiliate Funnel itself.
   4. Additionally, you know include Affiliatefunnelsystem.com which is also nothing to do with us. They just have a similar domain name.

   If you can explain your concerns I will happily answer them and address anything that is accurate. We are a legitimate business.

   Without your explanation I fail to see the logic here, other than our domain contains the word funnel in it and others just happened to use the same word a couple of years later.

   Please will stop this unsubstantiated slur on our good name or explain your actions.

   I thank you in advance for your co-operation.
   Paul

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   • g7w on Sun 05 Jul 2009
   • 04:26:22 PM UTC

   to paraphrase Agent Smith from the Matrix

   "I’d like to share a revelation that I’ve had, during my time here. It came to me when I tried to classify your species and I realized that you aren’t actually businessmen. Every businessman on the Internet instinctively develops a natural equilibrium with their surrounding environment, but you scammers do not. You move to an area and you multiply, and multiply until every natural resource is consumed and the only way you can survive is to spread to another area. There is another organism on the Net that follows the same pattern. Do you know what it is? –A virus. Scammers are a disease, a cancer of this web. You are a plague, and we... are the cure."

   You and your associates remind me of those guys who are on TV at 2am trying to con me into believing that I can become a millionaire buy buying and selling real estate, with no money down.

   re: iframe insertion
   iFrames, when used for abusive purposes are considered browser exploits and rated and commented as such.
   <iframe width=486 height=60 frameborder=0 src='http://www.777seo.com/seo.php?username=kerjak' marginwidth=0 marginheight=0 vspace=0 hspace=0 allowtransparency=true scrolling=no></iframe>

   It's safe to assume that your site partners with 777seo.com - which, BTW is a phishing site view the existing scorecard

   Let's take a look at the page where the iFrame is to be removed from:
   hxxp://www.affiliatefunnel.com/givesqueeze2pic.php?rid=17547

   Here's the link list:

   1. hxxp://affiliatefunnel .com/teranking.php/?rid=17547
   2. hxxp://kerjak.magiccode.hop.clickbank .net/
   3. hxxp://kerjak.thecbcode.hop.clickbank .net/albums/z194/kerjak1/?action=view%C2%A4t=LEARNTHESECRETCODE.png
   4. hxxp://kerjak.thecbcode.hop.clickbank .net/albums/z194/kerjak1/?action=view%C2%A4t=dvdcombo-lg.jpg
   5. hxxp://netbugadvertising .com/kerjak
   6. hxxp://s191.photobucket .com/albums/z194/kerjak1/?action=view%C2%A4t=joel2.jpg
   7. hxxp://tinyurl .com/mglbtf
   8. hxxp://viralurl .com/kerjak
   9. hxxp://www.adlandpro .com/
   10. hxxp://www.adlandpro .com/?ref=267775
   11. hxxp://www.adlandpro .com/default.asp?rep=267775
   12. hxxp://www.adlandpro .com/partner.aspx?ref=267775&pg=cat&cat=32
   13. hxxp://www.adlandpro .com/partner.aspx?ref=267775&pg=cat&cat=33
   14. hxxp://www.adlandpro .com/partner.aspx?ref=267775&pg=cat&cat=34
   15. hxxp://www.adlandpro .com/partner.aspx?ref=267775&pg=cat&cat=35
   16. hxxp://www.adlandpro .com/partner.aspx?ref=267775&pg=cat&cat=37
   17. hxxp://www.adlandpro .com/partner.aspx?ref=267775&pg=cat&cat=39
   18. hxxp://www.adlandpro .com/partner.aspx?ref=267775&pg=cat&cat=40
   19. hxxp://www.adlandpro .com/partner.aspx?ref=267775&pg=cat&cat=41
   20. hxxp://www.adlandpro .com/partner.aspx?ref=267775&pg=cat&cat=42
   21. hxxp://www.adlandpro .com/partner.aspx?ref=267775&pg=cat&cat=43
   22. hxxp://www.adlandpro .com/partner.aspx?ref=267775&pg=cat&cat=44
   23. hxxp://www.adlandpro .com/partner.aspx?ref=267775&pg=cat&cat=45
   24. hxxp://www.adlandpro .com/partner.aspx?ref=267775&pg=cat&cat=46
   25. hxxp://www.adlandpro .com/partner.aspx?ref=267775&pg=cat&cat=49
   26. hxxp://www.adlandpro .com/partner.aspx?ref=267775&pg=cat&cat=52
   27. hxxp://www.adlandpro .com/partner.aspx?ref=267775&pg=cat&cat=54
   28. hxxp://www.adlandpro .com/partner.aspx?ref=267775&pg=cat&cat=55
   29. hxxp://www.adlandpro .com/partner.aspx?ref=267775&pg=cat&cat=56
   30. hxxp://www.adlandpro .com/partner.aspx?ref=267775&pg=cat&cat=58
   31. hxxp://www.adlandpro .com/partner.aspx?ref=267775&pg=cat&cat=60
   32. hxxp://www.adlandpro .com/partner.aspx?ref=267775&pg=cat&cat=61
   33. hxxp://www.adlandpro .com/partner.aspx?ref=267775&pg=cat&cat=62
   34. hxxp://www.adlandpro .com/partner.aspx?ref=267775&pg=cat&cat=63
   35. hxxp://www.adlandpro .com/partner.aspx?ref=267775&pg=cat&cat=64
   36. hxxp://www.adlandpro .com/partner.aspx?ref=267775&pg=cat&cat=68
   37. hxxp://www.adlandpro .com/partner.aspx?ref=267775&pg=cat&cat=69
   38. hxxp://www.adlandpro .com/partner.aspx?ref=267775&pg=cat&cat=70
   39. hxxp://www.adlandpro .com/partner.aspx?ref=267775&pg=cat&cat=71
   40. hxxp://www.adlandpro .com/partner.aspx?ref=267775&pg=cat&cat=72
   41. hxxp://www.adlandpro .com/partner.aspx?ref=267775&pg=cat&cat=73
   42. hxxp://www.adlandpro .com/partner.aspx?ref=267775&pg=cat&cat=74
   43. hxxp://www.adlandpro .com/partner.aspx?ref=267775&pg=cat&cat=75
   44. hxxp://www.adlandpro .com/partner.aspx?ref=267775&pg=cat&cat=76
   45. hxxp://www.adlandpro .com/partner.aspx?ref=267775&pg=cat&cat=77
   46. hxxp://www.adlandpro .com/partner.aspx?ref=267775&pg=cat&cat=78
   47. hxxp://www.adlandpro .com/partner.aspx?ref=267775&pg=cat&cat=80
   48. hxxp://www.adlandpro .com/partner.aspx?ref=267775&pg=cat&cat=81
   49. hxxp://www.adlandpro .com/partner.aspx?ref=267775&pg=cat&cat=82
   50. hxxp://www.adlandpro .com/partner.aspx?ref=267775&pg=co
   51. hxxp://www.adlandpro .com/partner.aspx?ref=267775&pg=co_fi
   52. hxxp://www.adlandpro .com/partner.aspx?ref=267775&pg=co_fr
   53. hxxp://www.adlandpro .com/partner.aspx?ref=267775&pg=co_in
   54. hxxp://www.adlandpro .com/partner.aspx?ref=267775&pg=co_ti
   55. hxxp://www.adlandpro .com/partner.aspx?ref=267775&pg=st
   56. hxxp://www.adlandpro .com/submissions/Engines/engines.htm
   57. hxxp://www.freefollowup .com/
   58. hxxp://www.submitexpress .com/
   59. javascript:%20Disclaimer()
   60. javascript:%20guaranty()
   61. javascript:%20help1()
   62. javascript:%20help2()
   63. javascript:%20help3()
   64. javascript:%20help4()
   65. javascript:%20help5()
   66. javascript:%20help6()
   67. javascript:%20help7()

   hxxp://viralurl .com/textad2.php?id=kerjak&align=left&border=0&ip=127.0.0.1&siteref=hxxp://www.affiliatefunnel .com/givesqueeze2pic.php?rid=17547&color=FFFFFF&test=&c=4033

   1. hxxp://vur.me/dmc/ez2
   2. hxxp://www.perfectincomeplan .com/

   hxxp://www.777seo .com/seo.php?username=kerjak

   1. hxxp://www.paid-to-promote .net/member/signup.php?r=kerjak

   about:blank

   Notice the ip=127.0.0.1 in the viralurl.com link
   It's one thing for servers to record IPs in their raw logs, it's another to pass it along to others, this is harvesting and phishing and has nothing to do with demographics.

   You and your associates are scammers and link to other scammers, phishers, and spammers.

   We really need to dig every site linked to and rate accordingly.

   As Alice found out, the rabbit hole runs deep.
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  • paulkinder on Sun 05 Jul 2009
  • 06:15:54 PM UTC

  Thank you

  Hi David, thanks for the clarification.

  And, dont get shocked :-) but I also thank you for raising this whole issue, because your comments led to the discovery of a security issue with in our site.

  We're not associated with 777seo.com in any way shape or form. The link to 777seo.com was created by an affiliate who exploited a security hole which we have now blocked. Nobody will be able to exploit this again.

  That affiliate is also no longer a member of Affiliate Funnel (actually, as an aside, I discovered they had joined twice which is also against our terms of service)

  You can see the detail of how this exploit was discovered on this same page - just a couple of posts above this one.

  So thanks again for your help, and I once again ask that you reconsider your negative comments.

  Via Affiliate Funnel, Jon and I give a lot of time advising people how to create their own, legitimite, online businesses and I don't exactly think it's fair we're compared to known scammers like Birdsall. We are not engaged in stupid income schemes like his. Affiliate Funnel was designed to pull people away from that kind of c###. Something we spend countless hours trying to do!

  As I said before, I'm on public record for speaking out against these scams, and Birdsall in particular. Whole thing is quite ironic really I suppose :-)

  I look forward to your comments

  cheers
  Paul

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  • BobJam (not verified) on Tue 29 Sep 2009
  • 12:13:48 PM UTC

  What is domain name exactly?

  I must have missed it somewhere . . . looked through both the streamline funnel thread and this thread . . . and I can't find the EXACT domain name and URL of YOUR site (just use "example.com" . . . no need to make it a live link . . . I'll insert the "http" stuff when I plug it in the address bar).

  What is it? (As I said, sorry if I missed it).

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  • g7w on Tue 29 Sep 2009
  • 08:07:23 PM UTC

  affiliatefunnel.com

  affiliatefunnel.com - whois
  traffic-splash.com - whois

  the rest are on the very first post of this thread.

  curious, why bring up an old thread?
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  • BobJam (not verified) on Tue 29 Sep 2009
  • 08:27:41 PM UTC

  Confused

  "curious, why bring up an old thread?"
  Huh? What thread are you talking about? If you're talking about the Streamline Funnel System thread, it's the one you linked to in the first post, so I thought maybe it would have some clue about the domain name.

  If you're talking about this thread, I read it as new because you recently posted a reply about about.com.

  I'm looking for the domain name that this guy paulkinder has. He keeps saying that his domain is not the same as Affiliate Funnel, so I'm wondering what his domain is.

  Edit: Now I see that your whois links show Paul Kinder as the owner of those domains. So this guy is making bogus claims?

  Sorry for being so dense, I may have to go back and read these threads again.

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  • g7w on Tue 29 Sep 2009
  • 08:47:25 PM UTC

  what?

  the only result for "about.com" is your post.

  I've made no "reply" containing "about.com"

  I noticed that both threads had activity today:
  The Streamline Funnel System
  and this one and I've only replied to you, view my recent message activity

  Both topics are a couple months old now (from July '09)

  As for Kinder's domain, as I mentioned they are the first batch listed on the 1st post of this thread.
  Note "Affiliate Funnel" and "Affiliate Funnel System" are separate domains owned by different individuals. - It gets confusing. But IMHO, Cardinal and Carnelian are both shades of red

  :-)
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  • BobJam (not verified) on Tue 29 Sep 2009
  • 09:22:08 PM UTC

  Slight change

  It was "about blank", not "about.com as I mistakenly said, and the post is righthere in this very thread.

  Granted, that was an old reply (09 July 2009), but I scrolled up to it when I read Destinii Haruya's post (which WAS new just today and resurrected this thread, which I had never read through completely until now).

  A lot of times, when I review a new post, I am unaware of the history of the thread and scroll up and read through the posts. That's how I ran across your post on about blank and also had the question about this paulkinder person.

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  • g7w on Tue 29 Sep 2009
  • 09:55:09 PM UTC

  LOL

  so that's why searching for about.com drew a blank

  :-)

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   • masterwriter42 on Thu 09 Jul 2009
   • 01:39:06 AM UTC

   Yes, thank you very much for this important info

   Thank you, I'd been wondering whether "about:blank" was malicious, and you're saying it is, right? I'll disable it now, and I can feel more relieved because of it. Some kind of third party has been slowing my browsing down despite a solid, fast connection, and use of reliable and effective virus scan software. I had not forbid about:blank, and hopefully it was causing at least some of the problem. If not, maybe I'll try disabling all of the Add-Ons in fire fox that are not security related. I'll use No Script to disable permission to about:blank right away. Thanks again, and good luck hunting down more malicious sources.

   Respectfully yours,
   MasterWriter42

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  • g7w on Thu 09 Jul 2009
  • 01:59:04 AM UTC

  re: about blank

  What I posted was list of links internal to the page discussed, at that time - they have cleaned up the page quite a bit since, if it even still exists.

  For more information concerning about:blank, try Google
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   • canmart on Tue 29 Sep 2009
   • 06:37:08 AM UTC

   Affiliate Funnel

   as a member I can only say I have been very happy and always take advantage of all the tools for free! I promote affiliate funnel on my site.

   http://canadian-income-online.com

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  • tinfoil on Tue 29 Sep 2009
  • 03:24:37 PM UTC

  Rated red and commented.

  Rated red and commented. Even your URL smells of "scam".

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