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- on Tue 09 Mar 2010
- 09:35:24 AM UTC
Thanks drumchic for the above information
Thanks for the information. You should certainly go to the WOT scorecard for those sites and give them poor ratings.
Satch
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- on Thu 18 Mar 2010
- 09:51:12 PM UTC
Drumchic
This person was banned from all three web sites. She was warned not to post religious materiel, she accused the staff of being a person they were not. She accused of being her employer and using fake names, then she accused us of knowing this Deezil58 person and not telling her where he is... She has posted all over the internet that she is looking for some person by the screen name Deezil58. A person that does not want to have anything to do with her because she stalks him as she did at freedrumlessons.com and is no attempting to do so at drumsoloartist.com.
We have many females on our site of which several commented they were concerned that DrumChic was being rude on the board and had too much religious zeil behind her posts. Several Females felt DrumChic was mocking them and others on the board. We have all the screen shots of her posts. We have emails she sent to our members preaching and accusing members of being demons etc. DrumChic will post her life story on your web pages, then flirt with the staff of which she gets warning not to do. We have an email where she sent my staff member a flattering email right after she posted on the website that she needed God and that she cannot trust men….
We listened to her crys for help and then the stories did not add up. We realized this was someone who had serious issues, we wished her the best and had to ban her. Search Google for her screen name and it will come up on countless web pages many of whcih have banned her as well.
We do not have the capability to read a post before it is finished, that would mean we can read minds. We cannot read post while it is being typed either. I am very disappointed that WOT would hear one side of the story and not seek out further information before it allows people to flame websites. The fact is there are bad sites out there but we are not one of them. WOT seems to be a place where if someone does not like a site just for the sake of not liking it, they can bash it. There are no checks and balances here.
This person has now public posted false information which is slanderous and liable. I for one will take her post and show it to our attorney to see if we can take legal action. It is truly unfortunate that this person can go from one web site to another and do as she does.
We have integrity we know her real name her address and more because she told us, I could post it here but that would violate our standards of keeping our client information private.
Where is the WOT staff to verify and validate such claims, where is the balance, if WOT rating are simply done by people who visit sites and not WOT staff who check sites out, then this system has a flaw. Not saying it does not do good but there is a flaw here.
WOT own stats show only 300K positive comments and 5M negative comments. This seems to be Whine of Trust not Web of Trust site.
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- on Fri 19 Mar 2010
- 06:14:36 AM UTC
Re: Drumchic
Actually, most sites have a good reputation. Comments aren't ratings. You might be interested in the FAQ.
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- on Sat 20 Mar 2010
- 03:34:26 AM UTC
WOT staff
First off, see this post of mine in this very thread. It's related to my comment here and you won't be able to understand the comment completely unless you read that post. Plus, I thought we'd better clear the air before I go any further.
"Where is the WOT staff to verify and validate such claims, where is the balance, if WOT rating are simply done by people who visit sites and not WOT staff who check sites out, then this system has a flaw."
There is no "flaw" in the system since it is designed to give ratings based on user opinions, NOT the WOT staff opinions. McAfee SiteAdvisor does that. WOT is a user rating system. Both have their advantages and disadvantages.As far as "flaws" go in a user rating system, they are "self-correcting" (as exemplified in that link to my post I gave above). Were that a McAfeeSA rating, you would have had to email McAfee SA Staff requesting a redo, which means they would have had to send the bots out again . . . an appeal process that often takes up to a year to complete, and certainly is not resolved in a matter of a few days as it was here on WOT. Plus, the SA Staff, unlike myself, might not be as willing to admit an error, and they might persist in the incorrect evaluation. Then where would you be?
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- on Tue 09 Mar 2010
- 12:16:27 PM UTC
From robtex
"kwams.com, pornsql.com, lataho.info, frufobia.com, skincur.info and at least 68 other hosts point to 174.120.246.6. It is not listed in any blacklists.
The robtex graph shows that a porn site and some dodgy marketing sites share this IP, so I'd definitely stay away from this site.
A portion of the graph:
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- on Fri 19 Mar 2010
- 07:09:21 AM UTC
itsallaboutmusic.net
itsallaboutmusic.net is located on IP: 174.120.246.6
which is a shared server, not dedicated.
http://www.robtex.com/ip/174.120.246.6.html#shared
Look at the Host names sharing IP with A records
You'll see many non-related domains = they have nothing to do with each other except that they use HostGator for a webhost - CentralOpsConsider this IP as a street downtown, you never know what the store (site) is like until you walk in (visit) but they have nothing in common except that they're on the same street. There could be a restaurant, a music store, a lawyer's office, and a massage parlor.
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- on Sat 20 Mar 2010
- 03:52:14 AM UTC
erm ...
I'm not saying the domains discussed in this thread are "good" or "bad"
In all honesty I haven't visited them, nor have I rated them based on this topic.I merely wanted to stae that shared IP's are "tricky"
I've come across some for example that have 25 domains on them,
of those 22 were all owned by the same whois registrant and could be considered a scam or whatever they were rated for, but it's those 3 that have nothing to do with the rest, that keep the IP and their domains from entering discussion. -
- on Sat 20 Mar 2010
- 10:43:21 AM UTC
Buck stops here
First off . . . an apology, both to the community and especially to itsallaboutmusic and cfotoceo. It's extremely embarrassing, but also part of it is a mystery how this happened. Not excusing myself . . . I take full responsibility for what IS an irresponsible post.
Now for the explanation, which I feel compelled to make. Stay with me on this.
I do indeed understand the difference between a shared IP and a dedicated IP, and also how to read robtex graphs . . . though the post doesn't appear that way.
I vaguely recall making the post, but until just the other day I had forgotten about it. Then, yesterday I think it was, Blueberry Mountain left a PM on my board asking me to review a thread. So I looked at it (it was THIS thread), and saw my post in it (which I didn't expect), and thought "WTF?"
I read over the post, and recognized parts of it, but did not recognize the OP. My vague recollection was of responding to a VERY different OP. Now don't misunderstand here, I'm not claiming that gremlins are modifiing my posts and moving them. It does certainly appear to be my post, and in fact I checked on my board and it does show up as being in this thread (though it would have to, since the two are linked . . . I was just grabbing at straws because I couldn't believe I posted this). Only thing I can figure is that senility has overtaken and I was out of my mind. (It was almost like an "out of body" experience looking at the thing).
Apologies again . . .
The OP of my vague recollection was just a simple few lines of someone asking if a site was safe to visit. That's why I concluded with "I'd definitely stay away from this site." The current OP is not just a "few lines", the OP is not referring to just one site, nor do I see anywhere that the OP asked "Is this site safe to visit?" (Indeed, the current OP is farrrrr from what I recollect responding to.)
Nevertheless, as I keep saying, it IS what it IS, and it makes me look like a complete idiot. (Senility I guess is not too far away from that.)
If I were to have seen a post like that (in my right mind of course), I would have likely castigated the poster and told them to learn the basics before recommending anything, and certainly before making any ratings. Fortunately, I did not rate anything here (I checked "My ratings" on my board). However, as it appears, I did recommend "I'd definitely stay away from this site." (Presumably an IP number, though since the OP names three sites, you can't tell from that).
So, apologies again . . .
For a Platinum level member such as myself to appear to have such a complete misunderstanding of IP mechanics and robtex graphs is pretty much inexcusable. It doesn't look like, so far anyway, that anybody followed my recommendation . . . apparently recognizing that it was based on a poor evaluation.
Consequently, I think I'd better take a self-imposed break from rating if I'm apparently making posts like this.
Can't say it enough . . . apologies again.
(BTW, as far as the OP, it strikes me as "backyard gossip" and I would not put much credibility to it unless the OP posts back with concrete evidence other than anecdotal allegations. The rebuttals seem far more credible, but as Jazspeak says, there's always two sides to a story, so I'm waiting for the OP's reply . . . though I doubt I'll post any "judgment" . . . "judgment" doesn't seem to be my strong point right now.)
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- on Thu 18 Mar 2010
- 07:32:41 PM UTC
I'm an Admin and Owner of
I'm an Admin and Owner of two of those forums and I can assure that she is really mixted up in her head. The guy CFETCO replied and said that she sent a flattering e-mail was me and I still have it to prove it to you guy's. She asked me atleast 5 times if I was Deezil, I guy that she said saved her life, I told her each time that I wasn't that guy and you know why she thought I was him because I tried to help her by cheering her up, by listening to her problems and trying to help her.
I'm 33 years old, I have a family and 2 kids and I don't need this kind of stupid internet issues. In time you will seewho is telling the thruth but don't come back to us crying..." You were right she is mentally ill" Like I said if you want we have proof of what we are stating here.
I hope for you that you will reticfy this ASAP
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- on Fri 19 Mar 2010
- 04:56:20 PM UTC
Agreed
As a moderator of three different forums, I know of no forum software that allows a moderator to see what a member is typing before they post.
Forums are privately owned Web sites and all forums reserve the right to edit any post. That includes pictures. The administrator also has the right to ban anyone they want.
My forum shares a Web server with www.voshy.com, but we are in no way associated with this organization. We simply purchase our hosting from the same company. And we have no control over who is on the same server.
Forums, or any Web site, should always be judged on its own merits.
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- on Thu 18 Mar 2010
- 09:43:49 PM UTC
Graph
174.120.246.6 is my site IP of which comes from: http://www.hostgator.com/ To make a statement that I come from a dodgy IP is misleading. Anyone who has a web page shares a server from the host (unless you have your own server in your home or work) of which could in fact also have porn, marketing and more. To tell people to stay away given your graph is wrong and misleading. You are making an implication that we are bad...
I can take 90% of the web IP here on WOT and they will be with a host that also has porn... that does not mean the site I took the IP from is bad ,it means it’s on server that hosts other sites. Most of the major hosting sites have thousands of web sites on them of which have as you describe.
Readers, please verify and validate, we are far from what has been described here.
Comments by members
Total 6,087,166 (100.0%)
Positive 307,383 (5.0%)
Negative 5,668,039 (93.1%)
Neutral 111,744 (1.8%5M negative comments and only 300K positive comments says it all. No verification and validation by WOT staff.
Have a great day.
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- on Fri 19 Mar 2010
- 11:35:58 AM UTC
Negative comment
I tested your sites yesterday and found nothing wrong with it, so I vote positive.
Negative comments may misleading, and I agree with you, that sometimes they may be unfair. But you have the chance to correct your reputation by talking about the negative voting in the forum.
You may discuss with other users, wether this system is correct or nonsense - but in your case - it worked well.Seamingly it is a strenght of WOT´s users to be responsible.
And to the 5M Negatives:
You have the chance to add 5M positives.Thank you for your posting, that gave the community the chance to proof, that it works.
Best wishes an good luck
Jo999
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- on Fri 19 Mar 2010
- 03:05:15 PM UTC
balanced perspective
After reading the explanations on this thread I have amended my ratings for the sites mentioned.
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- on Fri 19 Mar 2010
- 12:59:36 PM UTC
I´m courius why it was
I´m courius why it was rated bad.No one left a comment. And the op seems to be strange
Blueberrycake Level Member of the WOT Community
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- on Fri 19 Mar 2010
- 01:14:53 PM UTC
No one left a comment
Not leaving comments seems to be one of the abiding problems with the WOT ratings because the absence of comments gives no clue as to the reasons for any rating. It would be helpful if WOT users were to leave comments, particularly for bad ratings, so that other WOT users could see at a glance why a site might be considered dangerous. Is it possible that the mass-rating tool is part of the problem? I'm not sure how the mass-rating tool works but it seems unlikely that any WOT user would have time to comment on every site rated using the mass-rating tool.
Although I don't usually leave comments on good sites, when I come across a potentially dangerous site I always try to leave a comment to indicate why I thought that the site should be treated with caution.
As for the OP seeming to be strange, I don't know anything about the OP so I can't say whether she is strange or not. There is usually more than one side to any story, and I find that it is usually best to remain neutral until I can be sure of which side of the story is the most truthful. In this instance I am probably quite happy to continue to be neutral.
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- on Fri 19 Mar 2010
- 01:21:10 PM UTC
Re: No one left a comment
I beg to disagree, not leaving comments isn't really a problem. The mass rating tool forces you to always leave a comment too.
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- on Fri 19 Mar 2010
- 03:01:38 PM UTC
mass rating tool forces
Thanks for the info re the mass rating tool. My suggestion re leaving scorecard comments is that it is helpful to know why a WOT user considers that a site might be a risk.
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- on Sun 21 Mar 2010
- 09:07:53 AM UTC
re: mass-rating tool
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- on Sun 21 Mar 2010
- 03:04:13 PM UTC
comments
It would be helpful if WOT users were to leave comments
Probably i should mention that a comment has nothing to do with a rating in a technical way. But you shouldn´t forget that you can rate a site once. But a good and reliable comment can make other users rate a site as you wish. So a comment can be more powerful than a rating!!!
Blueberrycake Level Member of the WOT Community
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- on Mon 22 Mar 2010
- 11:16:58 PM UTC
Appreciation
Just want to say thanks again for everyone's thoughts. I and my team do appreciate the re-ratings and the site rating is now green.
We were down last few days, I lost a ton of posts and had to rebuild the board. We are back up and running. Our members are having to re-join as well given we lost it all because, yes I hate to admit it, I forgot to back up. This said my team is awesome and we are re-posting our posts and members are coming back doing the same.
Again thanks for the re-rating.
Johnathan Owner/Founder of www.Itsallaboutmusci.net
AKA Taz on the Site.
general warning for forum users - especailly females
I have been active on 3 different muscian or music websites..don't trust anyone..
they have tried to exploit me on all three..www.freedrumlessons.com
www.itsallaboutmusic.net & www.rassembluer.org..
these hackers are pros and will mess with you the best they can..moderators can read what you tyoe before you are finished..they twist words..I have had hackers place personal pictures in my files and also have lost personal pictures..
do not post pictures or videos of your self..your asking for trouble and don't go looking for anything..I thought I had friends and time and time again they have proven me wrong...I post something christan on a website,..next thing ya know I'm getting all kinds of bogus emails..I even tried to log on to another site to warn the public and was not able to log on..this site is related CBS news..
they can set up IP adresses from anywhere in the wordl and claim to be whomever they want..so for the honest person you can get burned..I have had them actually lure me into a trap..
to each his own..just be careful