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29 red downloads.

I do not know if this is a glitch but I reported fileshome.com has having twenty nine red downloads according to Mcafee site advisor.Someone else has also reported the same yet it has four green wot circles.Is Mcafee wrong or have you not caught up with the reports yet.

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Re: 29 red downloads

You need to rate the site too, leaving only a comment has no effect on the reputation.

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Re rating

Thanks for the fast response sami.I see some others have done the same.If you think you have not left a rating check your scorecard.I have just done so and found I had not rated a lot.To be honest I thought when you filled in a category it automaticaly put a rating with the comment.

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Ratings and comments

cod head: "To be honest I thought when you filled in a category
it automaticaly put a rating with the comment."

I think that's an honest mistake, and quite understandable.
At least I was thinking along similar lines. But let's compare:

In Siteadvisor you can click the category "phishing or other scams". By clicking you have selected the category and rated RED. Actually that's quite logical; there's nothing green about phishing.

In WOT you can click the category "phishing or other scams". But this is only treated as a comment and has no impact on the sites reputation. But why not? This is somewhat contra intuitive, imo...

PS: I'm not trying to highjack this thread. Please discuss this here...

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Ratings

I do not think you are highjacking the thread,it relates.I think you have a valid point.It would be a good idea if when you choose a category if it automaticaly made it a post and a comment.Because I have just re rated about 100 postings were I had left comments and not postings.A lot of others have made the same mistake,thats why I said if you are not sure to check your ratings and edit if you think it necessary.

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Simply red

WOTs system is quite finetuneable, and have more categories than Siteadvisor or Norton SafeWeb. But sometimes a site is simply red; nothing good to say about it, and therefore no need to finetune.

I think you're right: choosing a category should automatically be converted into rating (if the reviewer doesn't do more). If this doesn't happen, then valuable information is lost...

PS: I'm still referring to this debate: The rating system is inconsistent.
No reason to split a topic among many similar threads...

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WOT is doing fine. comment

WOT is doing fine. comment and rating are separate. so rate a site and then if you want to explain why you gave that particular site the rating explain in the comment section.

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WOT is doing fine

Yes mehfuz WOT is one of the best forums I attend for two important reasons.You can say practicaly anything within reason without folks taking offence and the other reason is that if WOT thinks someone has a valid comment it often acts on it.At some sites a newcomer may be simply ignored but at WOT all have a voice and all are listened to.The point phantazm is trying to make is a lot of people,myself included have left a comment,picked a category and thought the red or green category would be applied as a rating.But unless you choose a rating you only leave a comment and not a rating.We are not suggesting altering WOT.Only if a person leaves a comment and a category without leaving a rating then by default it would turn to the colour of category chosen.

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Comments and ratings..?

Comments and ratings are normally interchangeable terms;
To comment is also to rate, and a rating is also a comment.

FIne that you know that WOT treats ratings and comments as separate entities,
but as codhead examplified; it's possible to misinterprete this distinction, and
this problem will only come back again-again, as WOT gains new members...

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Re: Comments and ratings..?

To comment is also to rate, and a rating is also a comment.

Not true. A comment can also be neutral and doesn't have to imply a rating of any kind, and a rating is hardly a comment. By definition, a rating is "a position assigned on a scale".

In our system, reputations are computed from ratings and comments can be used to explain reasons for ratings. Simple as that. You shouldn't confuse the two just because you can choose a positive or a negative category for your comment. You should see the categories as predefined tags instead of ratings.

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A point in question

I have just visited 9down.com.The categories there have been chosen,Malicious content viruses 26,Browser exploit 1,Spyware or adware 3 Hateful violent or illegal comment 3.Yet its rated with 3 orange circles and 1 green ,were if categories were turned to ratings if no rating were left it would be red all the way through.I am not saying you are wrong Sami but unless people are made aware that making a category is not making a rating this will continue.As I said,some thickos like me have a tendancy to not read all instructions,or read them then forget.,

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Re: A point in question

were if categories were turned to ratings if no rating were left it would be red all the way through

I'm not quite sure what you mean, but there are hundreds of ratings for 9down.com and only 15 negative comments. I'm sure most users who left a negative comment also rated the site.

People who disagree with the reputation are more inclined to leave comments and therefore, the comments do not necessarily represent the opinion of the majority. Take a look at the child safety rating for thepiratebay.org, for example, and compare it to the comments.

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Another point in question

Perhaps there is the dilemma.I can find the ammont of comments easy but were do I find the number of positive and negative ratings.

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Echo

You're rigth! The number (and content) of comments are very visible.
But it's kinda hard to gues who many rated, plus how credible they are..?

PS: Think this has been discussed elsewhere.
And yes, I'm aware it's not so simple...

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Re: Another point in question

were do I find the number of positive and negative ratings

You don't, because the number of ratings isn't a good indicator of reliability. For example, the rating count can easily be manipulated to create a false sense of security, but the confidence indicator cannot.

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Comments and ratings..?

Ok, maybe I should have said that Comments and ratings are normally more or less interchangeable terms; I didn't mean that they were identical.

Sami: By definition, a rating is "a position assigned on a scale"

Yes, that sounds quite logical to me. But in the real world there might be more than one logic at play. An example: If I claim that a site is phishing, then it's automatically 100% red. In my opinion at least. I can't recall any 75% phishing sites, or similar. A scale is really not necessary here. Sometimes it's quite binary...

Sami: "You shouldn't confuse the two just because you can choose a positive or a negative category for your comment."

I think the confusion is understandable; in SA choosing a category also implies a rating. But not here..? This difference is still not obvious...

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Re: Comments and ratings..?

Comments and ratings are normally more or less interchangeable terms

They usually aren't. In my opinion, the only source of confusion here are the comment categories, which can be either positive, negative, or neutral, and thus can be confused with ratings. We'll think of a way to make the difference more obvious.

I think the confusion is understandable; in SA...

Perhaps it's confusing only if you have first used SiteAdvisor?

I believe most of our new users first see the rating window, which pretty clearly implies that comments aren't ratings. They first rate sites on the add-on and then only later discover the scorecard.

...choosing a category also implies a rating. But not here..?

Our system has plenty of other differences to SiteAdvisor too, I don't think user ratings have nearly as much effect to site ratings there.

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Comments and ratings

I think there obviously more to this than meets the eye.To stop fraud you need to know more than us,I accept that.We should not know or be open source for the reasons of people abusing the system.I think if you make a clear distinction between comments,categories and ratings to folks then fair enough.A good debate though.I learned a lot.

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Re: Comments and ratings..?

Sami: "Perhaps it's confusing only if you have first used SiteAdvisor... "

Yes, I admit that I have. And still am...

Sami: "I don't think user ratings have nearly as much effect to site ratings there."

You are right! That is one of SAs weak aspects, imo...

Sami: "We'll think of a way to make the difference more obvious."

Sounds like a good idea... :-)

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"Discussion" instead of "Comment"?

The confusion here seems to be one of semantics.

Perhaps a different word, like "Discussion". would clear this up.

Or perhaps, clearly and even in big bold letters, you may want to say something like "THIS IS NOT A RATING" on the scorecard Discussion/Comment. I mean, how much more clear could it get than that?

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Zap...

This thread started as a discussion of fileshome.coms 29 red downloads.
I think it will be less confusing, if we discusss the rating system here:
http://www.mywot.com/forum/1777-the-rating-syst...