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A second look at things

Before you read this, please know, wot is a great tool, and I'm not trying to insult it. I just am stating my opinion, that personally, I liked it even more how it used to be. Please don't let this article at any time discourage you from using wot in any way, since after all, these suggestions may very well be incorporated. In addition, wot is still a great tool, it just in my opinion, isn't quite as good as it used to be.

Wot used to be my favorite tool of all time, and I was very excited when I got it, knowing I wouldn't have to be afraid of going to a website I was unsure about. I would know right away whether or not it was safe, and on the occasionally unrated sites, I could do my part to contribute ratings and help others be safe. That however was months ago and things have changed- a lot.
It started when the new version of wot came out. Several weeks after it was released I noticed one major change. The ratings started becoming even more and more inaccurate.
For example, conduit had a terrible rating, until I posted something on the forums in addition to giving it a good rating myself. Conduit has posed no threat on me at all, and I have had conduit almost as long as I've had wot.
Another example is bullguard. Bullguard is a virus scanner and spyware scanner.
Bullguard.com has an unsatisfactory rating for two of the four rating types. A friend of my brothers who works in fixing, and building computers, knows a lot about security, and agrees with many other people, bullguard can be called the best virus scanner out. In addition, it finds and stops a lot of spyware. In fact, I tried it myself, and had no problems. It helped a lot.
Now I know, yellow or unsatisfactory isn't a terrible rating, but consider this:
1. More than one category has an unsatisfactory rating.
2. It's a virus scanner, so it should be very secure
3. You can change the settings to block sites with yellow, or unsatisfactory ratings.
On the old version of wot, had the ratings said this, I would have been skeptical about downloading bullguard. Now, after having used bullguard, I know it is very secure.
Some sites that aren't secure are rated secure as well. The foreign exchange student staying with us found a site called esnips.com, saying it had free songs for download. I checked this site out myself, and saw it had a secure rating for wot.
The first thing that happened was I tried to log in and it wouldn't work. I closed it and a window for a site with a RED rating came up along with many error windows saying my computer was full of errors. In other words, all the basic obvious attacks. I had to close about 6 windows and of course, the only way to do that was to click ok. Luckily it didn't shut down my computer like it said I needed too.
The exchange student kept begging so I gave it a second chance. I made a new account and it finally worked. I tried searching for 6 songs, all of which came up, and then when I clicked them, it said they were taken down. Finally the exchange student typed in another song, and it wasn't deleted or taken off the site. I took a look at the page, with its ads and look vaguely familiar to that of virus sites. Flashing buttons and just the whole look let you know, it wasn't terribly safe. After closing the window, I checked my email. Two emails from esnips for both accounts filled my inbox when I hadn't even verified my email. After that, I gave esnips a terrible rating.
Next came the wot website, which had some nice features, but the homepage seemed somewhat excessive. In addition, people started using grammar sometimes too hard to even understand in the forums, unlike before. I think the wot team should tell people to at least try and use correct grammar for the most part. After all, there is spell check for a reason. That however is just a minor detail.
Finally, wot for internet explorer was released, which was something I was very uncomfortable about. It was right around the time it was launched that the ratings began becoming somewhat inaccurate, Some too strict, some not strict enough. I know I have the power to rate things, but the future of what shouldn't depend on mainly me alone. I, myself, want to be alerted of a sites reputation before I click it.
I think the inaccurate ratings are because of two things.
A. Most people who use internet explorer in the first place, aren't as careful about security as people using firefox.
B. This only adds more people to wot, which can cause accuracy to go down, and ratings to not matter as much. In a small community, a small issue from a person or several people causing incorrect ratings can be easy to fix. In a large one, it's not that simple.
Plus, Wot is meant for specific people. People who are both knowledgable in security, and know when a site such as smiley central, is spyware, after either looking at the website or downloading the product itself, (since some people never seem to realize it's spyware) and people who care about security. If you're using internet explorer and you were knowledgable about security, you'd know that the browser itself is very unsecure.

In conclusion I'd just like to say, that I think if you rewound a little bit, wot would be a better tool for both me, and the rest of the community.

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Re: A second look at things

One reason why ratings may be perceived more inaccurate in the new version is that it no longer shows them on a linear scale. This is because many of our users felt the old user interface was confusing and much preferred seeing only the rating indicator. Of course, this also means that a rating that could previously be seen as "almost good" is now unsatisfactory.

Also, the new version has stricter default settings for warnings, which means you'll see more of them unless you tweak the defaults. The "Moderate" setting in the Warnings page matches the behavior of the previous version. I recommend you give it a try.

What comes to silly Internet Explorer users messing up all the ratings, I don't believe the fear is justified. You have to remember that users still need to earn the system's trust by behaving rationally, and not everyone has an equal say in the ratings. Instead of judging people by their browser of choice, we prefer to judge them by their actions.

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Your missing my point

Ok first off, the ratings aren't just slightly off. I went to two sites that I've never been too two days ago, and that night I got a virus. The websites were emule.com and esnips.com, both of which have a good rating. (or maybe not esnips because I gave it a poor rating) Many people use emule and have no issues, so esnips is most likely the source. I know all the files on emule are uploaded by users, but simply .mp3s are hard to infect. As stated in the previous post, esnips had a popup ad for a site that was very dangerous and took me almost 5 whole minutes just to close all the windows it tried to open, but esnips is considered safe.
My other point relating to bullguard is that many virus scanners have green ratings for all four categories but bullguard has yellow, which for most people would discourage them to get it. Take mcaafee for example, it has all green rating. That's just as safe as bullguard but simply much worse of a virus scanner. The scanner catches about half of what bullguard catches, and half of that is actually removed.
If you want wot to continue to stay as good as it used to be, I think you need to first review the ratings you have, then make an option that allows you to turn on/off the linear scale, and finally add the option that lets users comment on websites, so if a rating is one I or anyone else disagrees with, the user or users who rated it that can explain their reasoning.
Another thing, the advertising for wot I think should be kept to a minimum. Since internet explorer users can now use it as well, too many people WILL cause major problems. After all, people may agree with all the ratings they see for a day and then start messing up others, whether it's on purpose or not.
Wot is not meant for everyone. You need to have some knowledge about security, or you do if you want to rate websites that is. I may enter the contest to get people for wot, and I am not discouraging others too, but choose wisely when recommending people. I also think that very few if any more contests should be held to encourage users to join, because in any event, a small community is almost always better.
Just to give you an example, basically everything that gets a lot of users such as microsoft, mcafee etc, ends up becoming not very good since its so popular, it doesn't matter any more.
If you're not going to incorporate or at least take into consideration these suggestions, I would like if possible the old version of wot with the same ratings that were in existence during the time that the old version was in use. If you can't take into consideration my suggestions or give me personally the old ratings and version, I'd suggest you change the ratings for all the users to how they used to be, and at least allow a linear scale and hopefully a comment box, to explain why you rated a site what you rated it.
I'm not trying to be rude or discourage wot users in any way, I just feel frustrated by the changes made by wot. Please take this all into consideration.

Thanks!

Ps: Please remind people about the grammar in forums as well.

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Re: Your missing my point

So basically, what you are worried about is that the whole wisdom of crowds thing turns into stupidity of the masses once enough people get involved? That's certainly possible, as seen in the downfall in quality on some popular community-based websites. However, I believe we are much better prepared to handle the situation than they are. For one thing, our ratings are not solely determined by popularity.

I personally didn't receive any popups when visiting eSnips, but like any other site where users can share content, some of it might not be exactly reliable even if the site generally isn't bad. What comes to Bullguard, the site's rating is currently yellow in two components because of user ratings. Brief googling tells me they've had ties to Kazaa in the past, maybe that's the reason people are vary of their products?

Anyway, we certainly appreciate your suggestions and have plans to add some of the features you requested. For example, a way to leave comments on websites and explain the reasons for your ratings is most likely coming at some point.

P.S. I'm not a native English speaker as you may have noticed, so I'm probably not the right person to judge grammar skills here. However, I think the title in your post should have been "You're missing my point". ;)