Thanks lamchopz, for adding some substance to this 'debate'. But be careful: even visiting cp sites can be illegal, no matter what your intentions are. So let me remind everyone of this old thread: www.mywot.com/en/forum/2655-child-porn-where-to-re...
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- on lun 31 ago 2009
- 04:46:41 UTC
Thanks for the warning. The
Thanks for the warning.
The forum has no photographic illustrations so in my view it is not a nest for CP but merely a gateway to the real deals (my previous clearly showed that).
Also, I needed to see for myself what the forum was all about in case Q3 said I was just being biased like the rest and not seeing the facts. He may or may not be the site owner but it doesn't matter either way. I'm starting to feel annoyed. There are plenty of other forums out there, with a better userbase and healthier environment. He doesn't paint a very good image of himself by consistently defending AT.com.
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- on dom 30 ago 2009
- 17:45:00 UTC
^^
Resourceful thread there, phantazm.
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- on dom 30 ago 2009
- 19:54:03 UTC
Let me just clarify
AnonTalk is supposed to be based on Freedom of Speech, When in fact is the compete opposite.
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In my eyes AT is the hight of Hypocrisy for the following reasons:1. Discussion and distribution of Child Pornography, Pedophilia, Bestiality is all over the place, but when someone objects to the CP The post is immediately deleted and the user banned for and "off topic" post.
2. The site owner "Kimmo Alm" is behind constant spam of 4chan.org, He also encourages users of his site to submit false reports about 4chan
3. Extremely harsh wordfilters that prevent user from discussing pretty much any site that Kimmo doesn't like.
4. Again.. Posts/Topics with incorrect Grammar are deleted, While Child Pornography Discussion is fine.
===*I am i poster on one of AT's rival sites so i may be biased :)
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- on dom 30 ago 2009
- 20:19:34 UTC
ugh
1. Discussion and distribution of Child Pornography, Pedophilia, Bestiality is all over the place, but when someone objects to the CP The post is immediately deleted and the user banned for and "off topic" post.
I'm not going to even bother to discuss the "distribution" accusation. If the original poster is asking for something specific, yes, going off-topic will get you banned. It is NOT for your opinion, is it because you need to stay on topic. There are tons of topics objecting to pedophilia and child pornography. Number two has been discussed extensively, read the topic if you want to see a reply.3. Extremely harsh wordfilters that prevent user from discussing pretty much any site that Kimmo doesn't like.
No, it has basic wordfilters that prevent the worst of garbage and spam from getting through. As a few examples: Common contractions without apostrophes, incorrect syntax of the board, and FILTERS THAT PREVENT YOU FROM TYPING IN ALL CAPS. The only site-specific word filter is "4chan", but no good discussion has ever come from talking about the site, it degrades into a spamfest quicker then you can blink. That's done for the purposes of sanity.4. Again.. Posts/Topics with incorrect Grammar are deleted, While Child Pornography Discussion is fine.
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- on dom 30 ago 2009
- 20:50:03 UTC
Enough!
The content discussed, is about illegal activity. The site is hateful. Therefore, our comments stand as Hateful, Violent, or Illegal content. I will spread it to other sites, to rate/comment that site red, if you do not leave us alone. I can find tons of other people who find the site hateful, sick, and illegal (discussed topics).
~DragonMaster Jay, malware researcher,
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- on dom 30 ago 2009
- 21:19:27 UTC
Huh?
So not only do you ignore an earlier response where I said I was still working on a reply to g7w, you don't answer a single one of my valid points against you, but now, unless I just give up and run home with my tail between my legs, you're essentially blackmailing the site's rating? It seems like you're painfully unprofessional and immature if you're not winning an argument.
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- on lun 31 ago 2009
- 01:51:09 UTC
I am stating facts.
If it is hard to read that I am stating facts, then learn to comprehend. You do not want to see the facts, because you are poisoned. Instead, you are seeing behind a cloud of smoke, and being overwhelmed with poison. I know it is hard to take my points lightly, and so I am glad about that. But, attacking me each time, is not going to help. Some things just are not fair, and I hope you will realize that.
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- on lun 31 ago 2009
- 01:55:49 UTC
Why don't you...
Why don't you just admit that you're the owner of the site..?
You are not simply defending 'freedom of speech' - since other sites also offer that (examplified by sorryranga94 recently). The only reason you keep defending this site - is that it's your own site. Otherwise you could have defended 'freedom of speech' elsewhere, in hundreds, if not thousands of other places. But you only defend this site, one single site, that owerflows with CP, pedophilea, bestiality, etc... If you really meant freedom of speech' there are actually a million other things one could discuss - but that's not what your forum really is about - is it..?
No, don't bother to answer! I can easily guess why the owner did not appear here personally, but only via a sockpuppet. You keep asking us to change our minds; yet you never move an inch yourself.
Freedom - speech or otherwise - is not only an individual matter. I think it was Mandela that some years ago (in a completely different context) reminded us that freedom 'of expression' doesn't make sense in a purely individual context: 'My right to extend my arm ends exactly where your nose begins...'
Nuff said, this thread is now much too long! And yes, this is my final point:
If this site could possibly be defended,
only the owner could really try that.
But you're already here,
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- on lun 31 ago 2009
- 02:38:33 UTC
I give up.
Listen. I am not the owner. I am legitimately trying to defend the site. Since it is apparently so hard for some of you to process this, I am officially giving up on trying to convince everyone but g7w otherwise. After that, I'm leaving.
It's actually kind of hard to comprehend just how closed-minded and blind some members of the WOT community are. It seems impossible to have an actual debate here; if anyone is on the losing side, they default to "THIS IS MY FINAL POINT" and not actually giving a response to any valid points the other person makes. This has been going on for a while now, it's starting to get depressing for me. I quit. Congratulations. Do a single one of you know how to debate? For real?
Queue the flood of comments from people who haven't made a legitimate point in this entire conversation going, "Yeah, see you later Sysop, go back to your CP", etc. etc. etc.
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- on mar 01 set 2009
- 21:34:39 UTC
A quiter
Sock Puppet it is then.
Q3, you're a joke.
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- on mer 02 set 2009
- 02:32:00 UTC
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agreed
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- on mer 02 set 2009
- 04:23:18 UTC
The longest sock we've ever seen
This thread has more posts than any other so far...
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- on mer 02 set 2009
- 05:06:55 UTC
Yes
A person on the side of a debate where no one replies, gangs up on them, refuses to make new points, and against hoards of other people blinded by what they consider "Morality" generally tends to quit. I'm not a sock puppet, but since I said it, I'm obviously a liar, right? I can't take it anymore...
For those of you wondering, this is EXACTLY why I like/try to defend AnonTalk. If I open up a topic about a controversial subject (no, not pedophilia, I have never once done that), it gets REAL replies. Unhelpful, off-topic or generally poor posts get deleted. Like, for example, replies where people don't respond to one thing you've said and then blackmail you... jpvip...
You're all maladroit people who couldn't sustain a debate if it killed them.
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- on mer 02 set 2009
- 08:53:18 UTC
Stop insulting us
We all here had intelligent points, and you were highly unclear. Lacking clarity is probably why you have said that we did not reply to any of your points. Either that, or you are acting rather strictly close-minded. Calling us a synonym of stupid is a big insult, seeing that I am an advanced computer user, and many of the others around here are as well. We do research on bad business. We see it, we stake out, and find the criminals behind it. We then report them, for their illegal or rogue activity. That is all. We are not here to fight like this, so leave us alone, and stop insulting us.
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- on mer 02 set 2009
- 23:19:23 UTC
Sorry.
I was quite a bit agitated when I wrote that, I've calmed down since then. Just to be clear, "maladroit" is a synonym for "incompetent", not stupid, and I only meant that in regards to the general populace's debating skills here, not for anything else.
I'm sorry I was snappy. I'm sure you're all a bunch of highly intelligent people I could otherwise be friends with; I just can't stand trying to defend the site against "you", and I mean that in general, any longer.
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- on lun 31 ago 2009
- 02:50:14 UTC
Report it ?
For those that have visited the site and believe that it may be a porthole for pedo's ....Why not report it to the authorities in the USA and let the professionals decide.....
Catweezl
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- on lun 31 ago 2009
- 19:39:46 UTC
AT is safe
It seems wrong to rate a site less than "unsatisfactory" when it doesn't contain malware or spam visitors. AnonTalk contains only text, so it is legal to view in all sane countries. Links to illegal content do exist, but topic headlines are required to be honest descriptions of the topic's contents; you will be able to avoid illegal content by not clicking obviously illegal links. Since nothing on AT is illegal or dangerous and it is extremely obvious when a link will point you to something that is illegal or dangerous, "trustworthiness" should be green.
I've read through this thread, but I still don't know why anyone would give AT a low "trustworthiness" rating. It clearly does not present any kind of danger to visitors. Rating AT poorly based on DNS trivialities and listing in a low-reliability blacklist is ridiculous.
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- on mar 01 set 2009
- 00:55:23 UTC
Words hurt people...
As I said in the subject. Also, words poison people. When you are on a site like that, you get poisoned. When you talk about the things they talk about, your mind gets fully influenced. It may seem easy to look at it from your perspective. However, I can find two big name companies who agree with me, that the site is bad. Never again will I find confidence in a site like that.
If you do not think it presents a danger, then browse the site, and take part. However, I do not recommend it.
~DragonMaster Jay, malware researcher,
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- on mar 01 set 2009
- 04:00:51 UTC
depends on your perspective of the terms
Trustworthiness encompasses a variety of aspects. You trust a website to bring you information that you need. You also need the information to be "good" and "useful". For a majority of us, "good" information does not include links to CP or discussions by pedos. Such topics are prevalent to the point that non-pedo, non-CP threads struggle to compete.
Trustworthiness also works two-ways. WoT users expect to be warned of any sites that don't play by social and moral etiquette. A forum where pedos are the main userbase clearly fails to adhere to the moral requirement.
It is those reasons that I rated the Trustworthiness of the site "Very Poor" (just right now).
If you, however, have no problem with the forum, then feel free to join it. WoT doesn't block it, just display a warning screen which you can ignore by clicking "I want to visit the website".
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- on mar 01 set 2009
- 09:05:18 UTC
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Like it has been said before, this issue is NOT about morality. It is about the legal risk of discussing questionable subjects. Trusting this site will lead you to peril.
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- on mar 01 set 2009
- 09:48:47 UTC
They argue that the site
They argue that the site itself contains no explicit materials and hence trustworthiness should not be poor. In Australian laws, it is not usually feasible to press charges against someone who only discusses child pornography because that will be framed under violation of free speech (no matter how vile and unethical it is). As long as no one can show the person has actually committed CP or possessed it, he is a free man. So for me, morality is the motivation. lol
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- on mar 01 set 2009
- 16:10:56 UTC
worth reading...
http://www.mywot.com/forum/4216-anontalk-s-scor...
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- on mer 24 feb 2010
- 16:57:20 UTC
This is the worst site I have ever seen.
This site is completely terrible. In all honesty, it deserves less than the rating it currently has. It's nothing but pages and pages of discussion about child pornography, full of grown adults drooling over innocent children and going on about the sick things they would do to them. Not only that, but the users of this site regularly perform spam and DDoS attacks on other sites, most often on the messageboard 4chan.org. AnonTalk claims to offer free speech, but you'll find yourself quickly banned for even mentioning things such as views against child pornography, demands to end the spamming of other sites, or just any sort of opinion that Sysop disagrees with. I'm quite surprised this awful site wasn't taken down years ago.
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- on mer 24 feb 2010
- 19:32:01 UTC
Agreed, it is revolting.
Agreed, it is revolting.
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- on gio 25 feb 2010
- 04:59:08 UTC
Let me just say something
This site is no different from 4chan. End of story
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- on gio 25 mar 2010
- 18:17:32 UTC
Illegal Content On Network
Just end this discussion now! Here is just one of about 10 current posts (as of 03.25.10 at 1:35PM) on this topic and with links to child pornography. This has been reported to the International Authorities and the websites domain name registrar and host.
Please see screen shot here:
. Like I said this is just 1 of 10 such links/topics I have found from just browsing this site for 15 minutes.
EDITED - LINK EDITED OUT OF SCREENSHOT
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- on gio 25 mar 2010
- 17:58:00 UTC
link
Edit: Thanks ;)
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- on ven 26 mar 2010
- 12:30:13 UTC
Essentially closed
@nemrel,
This thread was essentially closed on the last day of August 2009, when this "Q3" person "resigned", but for some reason it keeps getting resurrected.
Since "Q3" is long gone, there's really no point in dredging it up since I think we all agree this stuff is definitely in bad taste (to put it mildly).
So we're basically feeding oats to a dead horse here. Let me turn out the lights as I leave, and if this gets resurrected again . . . well, point to this post.
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- on ven 26 mar 2010
- 12:40:22 UTC
Agree
The OP has left long ago, so any new posts will remain unanswered...
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AnonTalk's scorecard unfairly low
If you look at the scorecard for AnonTalk.com, it's dark red, and the comments indicate the general mindset of the ratings.
http://www.mywot.com/scorecard/anontalk.com
AnonTalk is a free, anonymous discussion board, dedicated to free speech. Anyone can say absolutely anything. Some of the topics can be a little extreme, but nothing on the site is illegal! People seem to think that their morals are everyone's morals, and will rate accordingly.
If you see the site's Legal page, it says:
This service/Web site is 100% legal to use and host in all even remotely sane jurisdictions. Its servers have never and will never do evil things, such as sending, relaying or initiating (any kind of) spam or participating in any way in any kind of attack. ... If you don't like controversial topics being discussed, just don't visit this Web site instead of trying to ruin things for those of us who want to talk about them. All you will accomplish is some wasted time and making us even more convinced that this place is very important and must live on at any cost. Do everyone a favour and go create some beautiful art or something else creative instead, or, better yet, start hanging here and create/contribute in topics that interest you.
The comments page is filled with lies and general slander against the website. It would be far too much effort to contact every single one of them individually, but I'll cover the majority here.
tobias104: Many Pedophiles, performs Denial of Service attacks on other websites.
The website is about free speech, this includes everyone. Unless vital, I'm not going to include any part of future comments that references the site's content, unless absolutely vital. The site has never outright initiated a DDoS attack anyone, or any site.
zipdavidson: has been known to redirect users to malicious pages containing viruses, hosted off a home computer, does NOT respect privacy in any way, known to spam other popular imageboard websites, and known to plan/carry out DDoS attacks.
Banned users now get redirected to an on-site page that explains that they're banned, and why they're banned. Nothing else. Likewise, I won't be including this particular complaint any more unless vital. It is one of the most privacy-loving sites on the internet; your identities are completely anonymous! If you become a regular, your IP is never even logged in the first place. It has never initiated spam or DDoS attacks.
ramoncina: There are links to child pornography sites. Many pedophiles gather in here to exchange this kind of material. Also performs Denial of Service attacks and spams other sites.
The site is about FREE SPEECH. It does not host any images, videos, files, or anything that may be illegal in any civilized jurisdiction. Has never DDoS'd, has never spammed.
GrantZ: Crappy privacy. Everyone posting can be easily identified. Regurarilly spams and DDoSes other sites. Avoid it like the pest.
No one can be easily identified. The most broad any identification gets is a letter in a topic. Has never, etc.
mskusu: Lots of pedophilic content that is not moderated at all.
It is, in fact, heavily moderated for post clarity and quality. They seem to think "moderation" applies to forcing ideals on everyone. It is, again, about free speech.
sorryranga94: Disgusting Pedophile rubbish, AVOID AT ALL COSTS! Enyone involved with this sick site should be banned from the internets.
Again, they seem to assume everyone has the exact same ethics as them. It is subjective and not actually about the site at all.
halcy: This website should be considered unsafe in every of the given categories - It meticulously tracks users via IP and cookies, redirects to browser exploit websites, contains links to child porn and horrible, horrible material, and is spammed all over such websites as wikipedia. AVOID if you value your sanity.
As far as tracking goes, the cookies are some of the least malicious. It only keeps your identity (for the site) and some dashboard settings. Your IP is only attached to posts for spam prevention (it is, by far, a LOT less intrusive than most forum systems), and aren't tracked at all if you become a regular. Not a single page on the site redirects off-site to anywhere but Wikipedia, and off-site news, neither of which are malicious. It is legal, your morals aren't, has never spammed, etc.
I hope some of the ratings and comments are given a second thought, and the outright slander is reconsidered promptly.